Is global warming even real?

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  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed.
    Agreed. (Of course, weather isn't climate - and it has been demonstrated that urban heat islands have not affected overall temperature trends.)
    Definitely agreed. It will continue to warm.
    The 97% number has been verified at least 4 times.

    However, it looks like the Breitbart article, being both deceptive and incorrect, was indeed created by knaves to make traps for fools. It looked for a moment like you were caught by that trap; hopefully the factual information presented here will help you avoid that trap.



    You do know that my bias derives from studies into previous interglacials, especially mis5 and mis11 which seemingly had little or no anthropogenic components?[/QUOTE]
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Your company is Breitbart.
    That is the same tag you appended to the hockey stick. So you seem to have applied it to a wide range of what in normal vision appear to be simple physical facts, evidence and data and whatnot. So: A vast conspiracy of geologists, paleontologists, biologists, ecologists, physicists, climatologists, oceanographers, statisticians, modelers, and satellite instrument calibrators?

    Or who are these "knaves"?
    You don't seem to be paying attention to them, though, or the current one. You seem to think that if it got warm in the past somehow, that what is being measured now is not happening. That isn't exactly what one would call first class reasoning.
     
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  5. CEngelbrecht Registered Senior Member

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  7. Oystein Registered Senior Member

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    Nah. Global warming isn't real. Neither were the five or six mass extinctions in Earth's past. <rolls eyes>
     
  8. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    company:
    Environmental Science and Technology
     
  9. CEngelbrecht Registered Senior Member

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    We're in the middle of the six.

    Is that the one run by Bjørn Lomborg?
     
  10. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    It was much warmer than today early into the holocene:
    So why the urgent concern? Selling an agenda?

    "Few well-dated, quantitative Holocene temperature reconstructions exist from high-altitude sites in the Central Eastern Alps. Here, we present a chironomid-based quantitative reconstruction of mean July air temperatures (TJuly) throughout the Holocene for a remote high-mountain lake, Schwarzsee ob Sölden, situated above the treeline at 2796 m a.s.l. in the Austrian Alps. Applying a chironomid-temperature inference model developed from lakes of the Alpine region to a high-resolution chironomid record from the lake provides evidence for early Holocene (ca 10000–8600 cal yr BP) TJuly of up to 8.5 °C, i.e. >4 °C above the modern (1977–2006) mean July temperature. The reconstruction reveals the so-called ‘8.2-ka cold event’ centered at ca 8250–8000 cal yr BP with temperatures ca 3 °C below the early-Holocene thermal maximum. Rather warm (ca 6 °C) and productive conditions prevailed during ca 7900–4500 cal yr BP. The chironomid record suggests a climate transition between ca 5200 and 4500 cal yr BP to cooler..."

    Stair stepping down; cooler and cooler and cooler down to the maunder minimum
    and since then we've been warming with a small dip for the dalton.

    see:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3021123/

    My posts seem to continue to confuse some readers with the facts.

    Are we seeing thermometer evidence of the mid tropospheric "hot spot"?
     
  11. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    I think not.
     
  12. Oystein Registered Senior Member

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    I think global warming is caused by the excessive farting and belching of obese Americans.
     
  13. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Good luck with your research.
     
  14. Oystein Registered Senior Member

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    It will be easy research. They're EVERYWHERE and infect every age group. Porkers galore.
     
  15. CEngelbrecht Registered Senior Member

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    There's no confusion. You're denying that global warming is man made from increased consumption of fossil fuels. Unless you get an actual salary to do so, you're a schmuck. And if you do get a salary for doing so, you're a Machiavellian prostitute.

    What we see is this:

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    A clear dance between level of CO2 and global temperature, innit? For 400,000 years, the level of CO2 hasn't been above 300ppm. Now after two centuries of industrial revolution, first burning fossil coal, then fossil oil and gas en masse, we are at 380. And if we reach them 900ppm by 2100, where do you suppose that temperature line's gonna end? And then what do you think's gonna happen to the crops feeding us?

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    You really want to gamble with this, smertny? And for what?
     
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  16. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    yeh
    but the job might literally stink
     
  17. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Obviously, for the knowledge!

    And, 10 years or ten decades ain't climate---just like one inhalation ain't breathing.
    If you would know climate, I would suggest looking at least as far as a complete glacial cycle. Or 2 or 3 or 4, etc.
     
  18. Oystein Registered Senior Member

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    I hope it warms up . . . a lot. We don't need those stinking coastal cities and I really want to grow tomatoes all year round in northern Saskatchewan.
     
  19. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    1) It wasn't. Remember: global

    2) As I pointed out: you seem to be arguing that because it was warm in the past that what is being measured and observed now is not happening, and will not have the consequences predicted. That's not exactly - how did I put it - high quality reasoning. To be polite about it.
     
  20. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    You would have gained my respect if you had simply acknowledged you were wrong.
     
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  22. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    as/re "terrifying".........
    Why do the simple minded so readily succumb to the fantasies of the fear mongers?
    Why do the fear mongers feel the need to inflict their insanity on others?
    Is it just to get unwarranted attention? Is it a tad more sinister?
    .......
    fear the jew
    fear the hun
    fear the gun
    fear climate change
    fear the savages
    fear the muslims
    fear global warming
    fear the immigrant
    fear your neighbors
    fear the cops
    ...................better still-----ignore the fear mongers.(what the hell are they trying to sell?)
    There is some really interesting stuff going on that would make for a great psychology paper.
    Is fear a necessary ingredient for the psyche? Is fear deleterious? Does fear ever lead to the truth?
    Do the adrenal glands crave fear like a junky craves his/her fix?
    .....
    Why?
     
  23. CEngelbrecht Registered Senior Member

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    Seriously? Liking racism and environmentalism? You actually went there?

    We still have holes in the ozone layer at both poles because of a few decades' use of CFCs. We still have poisonous lead floating around in the atmosphere because of a few decades' use of leaded petrol. And the planet's temperature-controlling carbon dioxide concentration has gone up 35 percent in two centuries, Homo sapiens' increased consumption of fossil fuels being the only likely causal effect. That's not fear-mongering, that's facts.

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    We're up against deniers, that launched an oil war on the Middle East to get to sell even more of that goo we don't need and which cauterizes our canopy. Their excuses about weapons of mass destruction was bollocks to the entire world at the time. Such people are not that clever, they're merely accustomed to a Thrasymachusian maxim. They have the mentality of slave masters. And it's near impossible to make them realize, that they're biting themselves on the arse, 'cause you can't expect intelligent decisions by men running around with more blood in their little head than in the big one.

    Jeb, you are being sold as the Harrison Ford of the Bush clan. Get the family into sun, wind and sea. Now. Now. Now. Then y'all are on the right side of history for once. You can't put a prize on goodwill, for fuck's sake.
     
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