Is faith a reliable path to knowledge?

Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by James R, Jul 23, 2015.

  1. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    It just doesn't mean trust, it means hope as well. The trust is there because you hope that what will be will be, because you have no evidence, or proof that it will turn out how you hope it will. Otherwise there is no need of faith, if it is only about trust.

    I don't know about religious terminology. You'll have to provide that. But faith isn't about ''unquestioning belief'', although sometimes, in any situation, one may have hope, which is like a belief, but in a very portable sense. If your child is bleeding to death, in the rush hour, after a drive-by gone wrong, you can only hope that the ambulance comes in time to take her to the hospital. That it has a 80% chance of doing so, based on statistics, for most people, would not be enough.

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  3. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Trust me

    You can't get pregnant the very first time

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  5. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    So you agree, faith is different than mere trust.
     
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  7. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I would contend faith is on a higher (stronger) level than (in your definetion) mere trust

    Which by the use of the word mere seems to put trust below faith anyway

    I would also contend trust does not have as strong a link with lack of evidence

    Faith proceeds onward dispite lack of evidence

    With trust lack of evidence does not appear to be present to the degree it is in faith

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  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    IMO, that is not a logical argument. In reality, you know that what will be will be. You just hope that what will be, will be good for you. But without evidence you cannot trust that what will be will be good for you and you can only hope it will be good. But if the dispatcher tells you that the ambulance will be there in 10 minutes, you trust it will be there in 10 minutes.

    But if you have no evidence or proof that it will turn out good, cause you're in the middle of nowhere a religious person can only have faith that God will favor you, somehow, and then you make an appeal to God (offer prayer) to make it be good for you. Hence the expression "hope and pray"

    But as Carlin said, "if God's will be done anyway, why pray at all"?
     
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  9. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    If his will is bad for you (of which you have no idea)

    your praying to make it good for you (which again you have no idea if it is or isn't)

    You might well change the will of god though

    I was going to do him good but he pissed me off with his constant praying - god do this god do that - I'll let him sink or swim

    No stuff it I'll make him sink


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  10. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know what "mere trust" is.

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  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I looked it up.
    http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-trust-and-faith
     
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  12. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Tentative vs. absolute.
     
  13. river

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    Disagree

    Intelligence , is not confined to the physical . Sure to express intelligence in this world one needs a physical body .

    But Intelligence can be from the spirit world as well .
     
  14. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    By definition there can be no empirical evidence of a spirit world.
     
  15. river

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    What would be empirical evidence of the spirit world ?
     
  16. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    There can't be. The spiritual is not physical.
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    But then it is a Pseudo-Intelligence, an inherent logical function. Somewhat similar to a computer. It is not sentient Intelligence.
     
  18. river

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    Why pseudo-intellegence , inherent logical function and then similar to a computer ?

    What is the reasoning to all three conclusions ?
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    From my perspective, all universal functions, physical or meta-physical, are mathematical in essence. There is no intent or motive. It is merely Implicated.
    See David Bohm's "Wholeness and the Implicate Order"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicate_and_explicate_order
     
  20. river

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    We are in trouble .
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The Implications of GW tend to agree with you, We may well be in deep trouble.
    The universe couldn't care less.
     
  22. river

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    GW stands for ?
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Global Warming! I'm sure you have heard of the possible consequences of GW.

    One of the Implications of GW is a domino effect of global catastrophes, perhaps causing the Sixth Great Extinction.

    Human industry and waste products contribute to GW. Not good.
     
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