Is evolution actually possible?

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by gamelord, Sep 7, 2018.

  1. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    I've been researching genetic drift, and it seems iffy, like my views on evolution. Without evolution, it would imply things only magically come into existence, which doesn't seem as logical. But the mechanics of evolution seem a bit iffy to me.


    When you say individuals don't carry the all genes of their species, it seems iffy. The only thing that would make sense, is if individuals did not carry all the genes of their parents. In this way, a tall person would have a more significant chance of passing on only tall genes.

    And here is the other kicker...it implies that genes "stack" on themselves. Like as if, genes are a computer code variable, for example a variable called var_height, and if var_height is set to 7 it can be more probable it will be set to either 6 or 8. That sounds ridiculous to me.

    An easier explanation is that certain genes are dormant in the body, and based on our life choices (after we are born) we can modify our own genetics, DNA, micro-tubules, and affect our own sperm after we are already out of the womb. In this way, evolution would seem more plausible.
     
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  3. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    You'd be surprised the difference something as little as two inches can make...

    ... or maybe not?

    And certainly you, as an educated and certified biologist, are capable of making this determination?

    Of course - because the fact that, during a famine, they couldn't reach the food to gather it wouldn't be an issue.

    It is the issue, because it showcases a stunning lack of understanding of the subject animal and/or a complete lack research into it.

    So... the fact that some animals have utterly blown your theory out of the water is somehow irrelevant? Interesting...
     
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  5. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Because facts aren't facts anymore... this is the world we, unfortunately, seem to live in.

    God have mercy...
     
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  7. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    I asked to give me some time to think about it, but everyone is simply too rude to give me that courtesy, apparently I have to debate them immediately rather than having time to think about the arguments more carefully. FYI I made a rushed response to it, due to popular demand.
    FYI your exact post was made in #7, by origin, and it is litterally 2 posts underneath your posts so you are being redundant.

    The issue is, not being able to use abstract concepts, because everyone wants to drag everything down to a level of concrete accuracy. What's next, criticizing whether or not I use latin, or if I make a typo?

    The bird thing did not blow my theory out of the water at all, how did it? I wasn't focused on it, neutral towards it, didn't get to it yet.
     
  8. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    Do you understand the difference between facts, theories, and probabilities?

    And if you believe in evolution, then why would you say a thing like "God have mercy".
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    So the hard times come, and the giraffes with the best health make it, and a couple of those with longer necks make it - and so they make babies with each other. What's your prediction?
    No, you aren't.
    No, it doesn't. Dating of biological traces in rocks says that.
    Quit trying to tell people what their theories are, how they work, and what they say
    Restricting the discussion to what you have already heard about and understand would shorten it considerably, which would be good, but unlikely to answer your question.
    The answer, btw, is "yes".
    That concrete accuracy thing is a nuisance, true. Lotta work.
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    Sperm competition is a likely factor in human evolution, as indicated by various physiological features ordinarily associated with it.
     
  10. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Iffy. Right.
     
  11. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Utter non-sequitur.
     
  12. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    It is but so is claiming that apples, leaves or apricots matter.

    Also, so is the comment about "actually". As if it has any bearing on anything, actually.
     
  13. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    See my post about gene stacking, and how it seems iffy to me. Use CTRL+F and search "var_height" (without the quotes.)

    Google, and many evolutionists say it's 3.8 billion years. Make up your mind, is rock-dating reliable or unreliable. If their numbers are unreliable then the whole foundation of evolution is shaky to begin with.

    Well if you have any more examples other than the 31,500 gen bacteria I'd like to hear them.

    My point is the factors that decide whether a sperm succeeds are not the same factors that decide whether the sperm will be fit with it's environment habitat.
     
  14. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    The way I see it facts are just objective states of affairs in the world that we all share in common. But...

    Problems start to arise when people disagree about what those states of affairs are. More difficulties arise when people start describing the states of affairs, since that's going to involve selecting features that the speaker wants to emphasize. And people often end up going completely off the rails when they start to tell other people what's important about the state of affairs, how it relates to other states of affairs, when they make value judgments about it, and when they announce the conclusions that they believe everybody else should draw from it.

    So in real life, it's often very difficult to separate facts from interpretations.
     
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  15. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    Believing in the truth of biological evolution isn't the same thing as atheism. Many/most people happily believe in both God and biological evolution.
     
  16. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    See, there you go. You dismiss an important discovery without understanding its importance.
     
  17. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe you should show more respect to knowledge that other people have contributed. I'm sure you feel very knowledgeable being able to use the internet at the push of a button, but what have you contributed to this vast source of information?
    We sometimes mistake our knowledge as something we earned but the work was mostly done by other people, most of the time we are just passive receivers. I hope you are not confusing the achievements of all of humanity for your own.
     
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  18. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    "...it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
     
  19. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    What if annoying pigs is my idea of inexpensive fun?
    Guess I'd be evil....
     
  20. Throbber Registered Senior Member

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    What about finger and toe-nails? Could they be considered horns?

    Evolution states that a creature must survive to reproduction age so the genes may be inherited. What about a mule? They are infertile. Some other animals are also infertile.
     
  21. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    No, but they make hopelessly inadequate hooves.

    Hybrids are usually infertile. Hybrids didn't evolve.
     
  22. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Your "gene stacking" is a confused idea. Nobody's talking about it. The case in front of you was one of two representatives of a given species, each harboring a different beneficial mutation or three, breeding. Do your standard little crossbreeding analysis, look at the answer.
    That's because they believe the researchers who found biological remains in old rocks. So?
    And the word you are looking for is not "evolutionist" - it's "biologist".
    You send other people on silly Google searches for bs, you can do your own on serious matters.
    (That's an easy one - won't take you ten minutes)
    Yes, they are. Consider what the "environment habitat" of a sperm is.
     
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  23. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Why must creation /God and evolution be mutually exclusive especially viewed through the lens of time?
     
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