Is ESP real?

Discussion in 'Parapsychology' started by Magical Realist, Dec 4, 2017.

  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I just gave it to you. Did you go thru all those documented studies as well? Did you watch Russell Targ's lecture on remote viewing. No? Then don't waste my time.
     
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  3. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Don't you know?

    Proof is arrived by the following process

    1 wacky idea + 1 wacky scientists
    Add them together to perform
    1 wacky experiment
    Fit the wacky results to fit the wacky conclusion you required
    Write a wacky book and go on a wacky tour
    Find a few wacky people to promote the wacky ideas (no matter how wacky)
    Someone will agree that all the wackyness put together conclusively proves the wacky idea
    Presto - PROOF has been achieved
    If you don't accept the proof that's YOUR problem
    You have been provided with it
    It's your fault you have rejected it

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    Did I mention YOU are the wacky one because of your rejection
    Welcome to the wacky world

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  5. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    The progression of science has been a gradual acceptance of things we formerly thought too wacky to be real---that an electron can be many places at the same time, that time is relative, that distant particles can be entangled in their spins, that there can be a hole in spacetime, that light can be a particle and a wave at the same time, or that everything exploded from a singularity the size of pea. This is not as much a comment on what is fact or fiction as it is on our arbitrary estimate of what is wacky and "wooish" and therefore impossible. We should probably just let that bias go and go where the evidence leads us.
     
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Obviously that is what has been done and that's why ESP isn't taken seriously.
     
  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    The evidence says otherwise..
     
  9. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    What a great Earth shattering brilliant magnificent idea
    As soon as you provide, what did you say it was called, oh that's right, ev-i-d-ence, for wacky ideas we can indeed see where it leads us

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  10. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    No, it doesn't.
     
  11. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    So all these studies I've posted in this thread as well as the results of Russell Targ's 20 year remote viewing program with the CIA and the Army aren't evidence? How? Do you think people are just making this up?
     
  12. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    The evidence could, note could, say otherwise, but what was presented was NOT evidence hence said nothing

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  13. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    How? How perceptive of yourself is how.

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  14. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    Propaganda isn't evidence.
     
  15. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Do you have any evidence it's propaganda?
     
  16. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    The Presentiment Effect:

     
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  17. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I should keep this a secret but I can predict the future.
    I only use the power for good and don't take advantage of it by picking loto numbers or that sort of thing.
    Its a burden really.
    Its like someone telling how the book ends before you get there.
    Alex
     
  18. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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  19. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    We've crucified men for less than that.
     
  20. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    If you're smart enough to sort it out you'd know for yourself. Your quibbles aren't getting you anywhere.
     
  21. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    That's what I thought. Another unevidenced claim by skeptics.
     
  22. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    You do realize that we don't have to spend the rest of our lives chasing down this nonsense. For anything to be taken seriously it has to be submitted and tested by peers. That how it works for evolution and that's how it would have to work in this case.

    Mr You Tube needs to get off You Tube and present the proper evidence to the scientific community just like everyone else.
     
  23. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Fine. Then stay ignorant. But don't try to pass off your claims as anything like objective assessments of the field of research in question. You speak from ignorance. Why would anyone take what you say about it seriously?

    Yeah..the old "Youtube videos are fake" argument. I guess all those science lectures and TED talks are no good then.
     

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