Is being clever the same as being smart?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Acitnoids, Dec 7, 2019.

  1. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Those exist to keep people from hitting one another more often than they do, but do not explain your cryptic line.

    I didn't outline that
    Not necessarily. Some people are charming, some people are funny, without any particular intent. And some people are good teachers because they have a facility for communicating ideas in a way that doesn't bore other people.
    Using words to convey meaning tends to be more productive.


    Then i don't know what this is, or what prompted it:


    Intention is not result. We do not yet know either.
    You're free to change them - as you, indeed, have - (------- ----- --------- -- --- ---).

    Yes, lots of things are done by lots of people for lots of reasons.
    Yes, there are both autistic people and narcissists.
    Yes, lots of people desire lots of things, and we don't always guess correctly.
    Yes, people also have biases.

    To what??
    and preferably in private consultation, rather than public forum
    Not general, no.
    probably for the best, all in all
     
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  3. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Clever can also mean bright, alert, healthy, vigorous, or skilled in some speciality such as a craft, or versed in an area of knowledge, such as ornithology. Smart can also mean natty, well-groomed, well-dressed, or quick and nimble of body, or someone who talks back to his elders.
    Over the centuries, words in common usage tend to collect different meanings, especially if they're part of language that travels across oceans and continents and bestraddles several cultures.
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    German proverb:

    "Too clever is dumb"

    A translation, but German and English are close enough to catch the nuance, probably.
     
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  7. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Certainly being to clever can lead to being told

    "Nobody likes a smart arse"

    Agree - bit dumb

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  8. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    Is self awareness (=awareness of one's limitations?) an important part of intelligence ....and is the ability to learn from mistakes also an important factor?

    For me "smart" might include those capabilities more than "clever" (both can be used derogatively and their meaning can be extremely subjective anyway)

    Edit: forgot to mention self belief,which often gets a mention.
     
  9. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think you know what "belay" means.
     
  10. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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  11. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    If you're capable of making a judgment regarding someone's intelligence, you have some intelligence.
    Someone who is a little smarter, a little quicker on the uptake, better informed, more practiced at solving a particular kind of problem, in possession of facts outside your knowledge-base, or simply more articulate and confident would come across as clever.
    It's a not matter of haves and have-nots, but of degrees, quantities and types.
     
  12. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
     
  13. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Are you sure?
    'Coz there's well over a Hundred Billion Dollars of Americans' money, spent on cosmetic surgery, beauty products and fashion that sez beauty is in the merchandise. B cheaper to buy new glasses for everybody.
     
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  14. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Is the Pope Catholic? Just asking for a friend.
     
  15. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    boobs n noses

    women are lucky they only need to get a nose job and that they can buy
    men are unlucky they need to get a nice personality and that they cant buy
     
  16. Acitnoids Registered Senior Member

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    My intention for this thread was purely innocent. I had in mind the example of my stepfather. He is a very clever and witty man.

    This gives him a level of respect based on wit, not intelligence. He is likeable, he is welcoming, he is charismatic and he is also as dumb as a door nail.

    For people he meets he comes across as a person of interest because of his wit but, he doesn't know the difference between left or right.

    I will ask again. Does being cleaver or being witty equal being smart? Both have intelligence.

    My answer is no but most of society would confuse the difference between wit and being smart.
     
  17. Acitnoids Registered Senior Member

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    I do not know which is why I am asking.
     
  18. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    I cannot imagine genuine wit without intelligence.
    The only way a stupid person could carry that off is by rote - that is, memorizing the witty sayings of more intelligent people - and even then, it would only last a very short time, because he could not adapt the conversation to unexpected topics.
    If he's clever, he's not stupid, though he might be ignorant.

    Whichever you mean, neither a sense of direction nor an interest in politics is indicative of intelligence.
    Neither does you like or dislike say anything about either your or their intelligence.
    You just said he was dumb.
    You have your own answer, but I suspect it's based on misconstruction of word definitions.
     
  19. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Women can have that same need. Sometimes a good personality isn't needed because of looks. Looks fade and now they need a good personality which they have never developed.

    Men generally have to have good personalities from the start.
     
  20. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    lol *smh*
     
  21. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    What about Chance in Being There? I guess you could say he memorized witty sayings from TV but his "wit" was mostly in the perception of his audience.
     
  22. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    By anecdote circulating in the physics departments of a couple of colleges a few years ago, there used to be an informal measure of relative intelligence among theoretical physicists that worked thus: One (you) met Paul Dirac (anywhere, under any auspices) and conversed with him. After a while, you realized that Dirac was more intelligent than yourself. The faster you came to realize that - the less time of direct interaction it took - the more intelligent you were.

    If anyone in the modern world has filled Dirac's role in that respect, I don't know who they are.
    Men can buy women directly, rather than dealing with the cosmetics, personality, or other indirect approaches. That's more expensive, but less trouble - one needn't develop an adult personality at all.
     
  23. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Bells, where are you? Are you reading this? ^^ lol

    Case in point, from the other thread.
     

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