Is basic income smarter concept than a minimum wage?

Discussion in 'Business & Economics' started by Plazma Inferno!, Apr 4, 2016.

  1. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

    yes. why is it comical? because i schooled once and can do it again. just because you have an ego your wit can't match doesn't make it so.

    god your a concending asshole. it be one thing if you could back it up but your just another ignorant troll.

    still as dishonest as ever i see with the same childish bullshit. i didn't manipulate your statement. i quoted you in full. please refrain from your usual tactics of flat out lying about what's being said. and your logic is here is childish and just terrible. just because not everyone can be a millionaire doesn't mean it follows low income people have to be paid an unlivable
    Yawn still the same bs. I have read it and quoted one of the principle proponents of it. that you choose to attack me personally yet again rather than engage in anything resembling an honest argument says more about you than it does me. Headline? you mean the tag over all the zaragate? the fact i have a sense of humor means i don't have a clue?
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  3. wellwisher Banned Banned

    If we are going to have the redistribution of wealth through taxes, why don't we also have the redistribution of grades in high school and college. If you get an A, you will be considered the evil smart. This grade has nothing to do with your hard work. Therefore we will tax you two grades, so you end up with a C. The two extra grades will go to failing students who got an F. This will bring them up to a C.

    If you get a B, you will are like the small business who rips off the those with lower grades. You will be tax one grade point and you also will end up with a C. Those who have D's will get your grade tax, so they get a C. C is the new minimum grade.

    If everyone ends up with a C, then why should the A students try so hard and only get a C. Why study and work so hard and miss all the parties and still get the same grade s those who do nothing. One has pride, so they will slack and go to parties and get a B. If they do that, they will be rewarded by this tax system, by being taxed less. Rewarded for partying and slacking; America is a wonderful place.

    The problem is, if the A's do that; work hard enough to earn B's, where will the F's get their two grade boost to C? They can work harder so they get a D and then add one from there. This won't happen since the A's were rewarded with less taxes by working less. Why would we expect the F's to work harder. That is like a tax. We may need to raise the taxes of B students, from 1 to 1.5 grades. We may also need to start taxing C's.

    When I used to write in the science sections, I was often attacked and criticized for not going along with the status quo theories. I like to present new ideas. Those who worked hard and maintained a strict adhesion to the status quo of thinking, got a lot of at-a-boys. Maybe we need to tax and redistribute the at-a-boys and give them to people, like me, who didn't earn them because I did not conform. It is only fair I get my share; raise the minimum wage. If get my fair share of at-a-boys, while not having to work hard to be consistent with the status quo, what do think will happen to those who work hard to conform? Will they work even harder to support me?

    Liberals are not critical thinkers, so you need to help them along.
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  5. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

    ABC: The Difference Between 12 and 15 Minimum Wage Bigger Than You Think

    "It seems to me very probable that the employment losses would be quite a bit larger under a 15 federal minimum than under a $12 minimum," Burtless said. "And I am speaking as a labor economist who strongly supports the president's call for an increase in the federal minimum wage to 10.10 an hour. I can even be persuaded that a hike in the minimum wage to 12, if phased in over a long enough period, could be a good idea, depending on the condition of the economy and the rate of increase in U.S. median wages."

    "If we want low-skilled people to still get or keep jobs, 12 is a stretch for many, while 15 might be impossible. Think of someone earning 10 right now," Holzer said. "They probably get hired or kept at 12 but not 15. And those earning 8 right now might be priced out the market at both wages."

    The American Spectator: Bernie Sanders Didn't Make a Paycheck until he turned 40

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  7. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

    There may be an argument that your grades correlate strongly with your genetics. Which, you didn't actually have anything to do with. Even your ability to stay focused on a single task, this too may be strongly influenced by genetics. Further, you had no say in whom your parents were, and how they would raise you.

    That said, I give the Regressive Left a few more years and they will indeed be redistributing grades - or finding a system where 2 + 2 = 5 is as good as 2 + 2 = 4. Everyone's a winner.

    The solution is to create more goods and services, which means deregulating the economy - and you know how Americans feel about freedom, we hate it. Not to mention, how would dolts like Sanders get elected without promising to take from someone and give to you? They wouldn't. Nope, there's no appetite for freedom in the USA. So, a slow downward grind in the living conditions for most Americans, just slow enough so that it all seems quite normal. Of course both a mother and father should work 40 hours a week to make rent to their retired Baby Slumlord, that's only normal.
  8. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

    And you think that makes sense? You cannot differentiate between a wage and grades....seriously? They aren't the same. Unfortunately, this overly simplistic and ignorant thinking appeals to so called conservatives. Grades are not the problem being discussed. The issue being discussed is minimum income.

    Now if you think there is a problem with how grades are awarded, I suggest you open another thread and explain why you think there is a problem with how grades are awarded. Grades are not income, you are comparing apples to horses as is your custom.

    That's a bunch of partisan nonsense. Both partisan extremes on the left and on the right are wacko. Unfortunately, there are more so called "conservative loons than their are left wing loons. Your problem isn't deviation from the "status quo" because you don't. You don't deviate at all from the "conservative" status quo. Your problem is with the inability to make a coherent logical argument as demonstrated by your post.

    There is a difference between grades and income. They aren't the same. So for you to equate the two as you have done is an illogical argument of the first order. There is nothing wrong with deviating from the norm, but it must be a productive deviation. You need to be grounded both in fact and reason, and you never are.
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  10. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    Mod Hat ― Somebody find a mop, please?

    I think the pissing contest needs to be over.

    In fact, I would insist.

    Easy enough?


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