Is Atheism Unscientific?

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  1. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Wizard, I would have if you had said something, but you didn't say anything. You threw a tantrum.
     
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  3. wizard Registered Senior Member

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    translation: i don't like admitting i'm wrong so i'm going to avoid all valid points that contradict mine

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    even if the theists relised their potential of their foundation

    what does that mean for the rest of us that is Humanity based rather than some god ?

    I can tell you , from me , myself , and I

    that my attitude is to promote Human Kind


    THE VERY EXISTENCE of Humanity and putting our Humanities absolute survival above ALL religions , gives us the back-bone and the foundation of any morality

    which is far better than any religion

    every religion has no apparant want or desire to actually make Humanity ;

    1) above any god

    2) ever
     
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  7. Saquist Banned Banned

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    What should it mean?
    Too much emphasis is put on differences rather than unity.
     
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    its not a matter of " what should it mean " but what will it mean

    what points of unity are their between a pure Humanity Survival and the morality based on this and religion ?
     
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    By who then ?
     
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    by most. It is the typical human behavior indicative in most and it creates constant conflict regardless of who is right or wrong.
     
  11. Enmos Staff Member

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    Isn't it the theists that constantly tell the rest of us how to live ?
     
  12. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Not really.
    Not all religions (theist as you put it) practice arrogance. That's mainly Christians and false christians at that. Even if Christians' purpose is to preach and teach it doesn't included dictating to those who'd rather not know. The instruction here is todust your feet off and move on.
     
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    Agreed, but Christianity is by far the most practiced religion where I live.

    But they lay emphasis on differences by doing so. Shouldn't it be enough that the religion is out there. Whoever wants to join joins.. right ?
     
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    I live in the Bible belt of the US, so likewise.

    Isn't this more of a matter of diplomatic approach? The right approach will high-light similarities but the wrong approch the difference. It will appear offensive or appear to be judging.

    I can't judge other's religion rightly from a religious perspective only from a litteral persepctive. Thus I can say being evangelical is wrong simply because of diplomacy issues
     
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    Wow.. we actually appear to agree

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  16. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    Absolutely it is. That's what organized religion has done for the past 6,000 years. The United States was possibly the first attempt on a large scale to rule by secular law and not by scripture's fiat.

    And the experiment is not conclusive yet. Prohibition, slavery, reproductive rights, education, the 10 commandments, safe sex, polygamy, these are all major cases of religious intrusion into the political arena.

    The reason that religious people are so militant is because they are not open to debate on ethical issues. Their instructions come from the creator of the universe and are 100% correct. No discussion needed. Comply or burn.

    Don't trust anyone that pretends that religion is a case of keeping your head down and living by example. That is complete nonsense. Nothing in history or around us today supports such a claim.
     
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    I agree.
    I do think the experiment is failing though.
     
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    Nothing in history supports any human executed institution as successful. The scale is becomes large enough to exaggerate flaws. No, not even science. That just a comparison. The human equation is the problem with executing purpose.

    Christianity should have no political influence.
    It is a politically seperate function.

    Yes, but that is only in theory Enmos. Practicallly speaking all human perspectives are 'evangelical'. Expression is a human quality.
     
  19. Enmos Staff Member

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    Not true. Look it up.

    But it's not only a human quality, it's not uniquely human.
     
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    Not literally, I refer to the enthusiam of expression.

    I didn't say that it was.
    But that doesn't make it any less human.
     
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    That's also not true for all people.

    But then it's pretty much useless to point that out in this context..
     
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    You're right some people have had that particular quality taken from them.

    So why say it's not unique? How is that useful? We're not speaking of any other creature that can talk and dream of the future.
     
  23. swivel Sci-Fi Author Valued Senior Member

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    Failing, how? Our ethical system keeps improving and we grow gradually more secular each year. There is no way to see this experiment as heading in any direction but an unmitigated success.
     
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