“ Originally Posted by J.J ...in situations like over crowded population then will you kill youself in order to let that baby live?... " Dragon no I will not. In such situation I will not take my life because it is a crime against myself. I care for myself and I care for others. My life's principle is never to be in such situation were I have to decide if I live or someone who I care for lives, that is the point of this life is to avoid such situations by making life as better as I can. Buddy Dragon the sad thing is the world is not as nice as you think it is...... ""Well in my world suffering is better then death, for suffering harbers hope. I suffered while in Russia, I was without my mom (she left for America) and I worked till dawn on a field picking out colorado bugs (potato bugs) and growing potatoes while simultaneously studying for math and russian language, guess what... the suffering paid of, now I am with my mom, I am in America, and I am in one of the best universities. Most people say that they rather die then be slaves and such, or they rather die then do something they dislike...well with me...I rather suffer then die."" Again dragon the world is not as nice, and it is not because you suffered and then you find happiness it is because you should not suffer in the first place. That's the whole point I am trying to get across here. When a girl gets raped and becomes pregnant she moraly has no right to decide if the baby should live or not. Did you just take away a human right? By Dragon This is the situation one of its kind. What a girl can do is avoid getting raped and not wear real short pants or enlarge certain parts of her body, basically a girl can stay normal and try attract only men she wants to attract. Once again you don't know there are such people is perverts? I'm trying to say that you cannot avoid trouble by not getting in to trouble. Simple example if you drive safly ,you still can say that you will never get into an accident cause other people might be driving while they are drunk. If a girl gets raped she is forced to take responsibility that she has no right to ditch. Dame then i guess i can piss my boss off by rape his daughter (lol) has no right to decide if it is ok or not ok to push the button, that person must comply without questioning. While i would call that person stupid. If i tell you to jump a building will you? if you do. then i guess i don't have to say any more( it explains itself ) Man, first of all if you don't allow abortion, then you think people will think about having a baby? I say no, cause if the woman is pregnent in your theory there is no turning back. And what will that lead to? a decreasing of population? It might promote protected sex though, but after our generation we are gone! ONE very simple question do you think it is fair to take responsible for something you didn't do? Well i don't think so.