Iran trys to get holland to ban dutch mp's film about the "violence provoking koran"

And?

Do you think Muslims practise their religion as Catholics practise theirs?

Ah, you're saying that because Catholics practise it this way, so must Muslims.

That Muslims must learn from Catholics to consider their beliefs ridiculous and violent. Correct?

 

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We in the west are not going to curtail our right to freedom of expression because they don't like it. We are free to discuss their religion derisively, they are free to dislike that we do so. Nothing gives them the right to dictate how we discuss things, what books we read, or what films we watch.

 

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Heh, so your freedom of expression is based on undermining theirs.

Do you have libel laws in your country?

 

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There is no right to not be offended. Let's revisit the Mencken quote from the previous page. "But certainly he has no right to be protected against the free criticism of those who do not hold them. He has no right to demand that they be treated as sacred. He has no right to preach them without challenge."

 

Tell that to the victims of the Holocaust.

 

Freedom of expression did not cause the holocaust.

 

Yes it did. The Nazi's freedom of expression. They were freely expressing their anti-semitism, just as you and yours are expressing your Islamophobia.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005202

 

Yes, the Nazi regime were big believers in freedom of speech! You are fatally damaging your remaining credibility by posting such nonsense.

 

Why? Because the western media is so clearly unbiased about Muslims?

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All the western media has to do is allow Muslims to say what they are thinking. They dig their own hole.

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Aren't you all for freedom of expression?

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Btw, thanks for making my point about western media.

Could I see the original links for those images?

 

Certainly. They have the right to say they would like to kill me for being an atheist. Sticks and stones.

Do you think the above protesters are portrayed inaccurately? Do you believe the signs are altered, and originally said things like, "We would respectfully request that you not talk about the prophet Mohammad"?

Only one, http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/06/hitchens200706 . The others were ones I saved from various forums during the comic controversy a couple of years ago.

 

Yeah and eventually that leads to an atheist being killed. So going around saying atheist should be killed is likely to result in atheists being killed.

They probably translated it directly from their language. Or maybe its for effect. However, if they started forming conventions for the positive role of beheading in reducing vilification of Islam, I would get worried.

 

So they were a response to the cartoons. Tit for tat.

 

Are you completely unfamiliar with how freedom of speech works in the US? We have white supremacist groups, the Phelps clan, all manner of hateful people advocating awful things. Though not pleasant at times, it is better than any alternative that I'm aware of.

 

Hence the one million dead in Iraq, the 6.6 million in Afghanistan.

 

If you consider death threats a reasonable response to some harmless cartoons, you are completely unhinged.

 

Red Herring.

 

If you think a hate movie targeting all Muslims a reasonable way to educate/entertain people, you are even more unhinged.

 

Clearly the fact that they are promoting anti-Muslim bias, targeting the religion and sending forces to occupy and kill in countries where the population is mostly Muslim are all just a coincidence. Clearly, the cartoons and such films have no effect on those who are indiscriminately killing civilians in both countries.

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