Interplanetary travel!

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by darksidZz, Mar 6, 2007.

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I say...

Poll closed Mar 26, 2007.
  1. It's impossible! We'll never have the ability to!

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  2. It's not impossible! We'll have it eventually!

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  1. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    I've reviewed all your data on this matter my fellow Sci-Members. Unfortunately I still find that while imagination is capable of traveling between the stars physical things are not. It's nature to desire exploration, but in the end the technological requirements surpass what is real. No matter what you construct, no matter how you do it, there isn't a way to travel to other solar systems. You see the laws of this universe are fixed, and you can't just bypass them in a fantastical hyperspace theorm.

    I'd like to make a mathmatical proof to demonstrate my ideas..

    A (the ship) = B (speed it takes to reach the nearest solar system in 3 months) + C (distance from solar system) = You're fucked!

    Yes that's right, even if you could travel there in a photon you'd still take light years and light years to get there, let alone manage any mining on the new world.

    We're screwed.
     
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  3. eburacum45 Valued Senior Member

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    Ys; its relativistic mass increases untill a single proton is equvalent to a baseball or something along those lines.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high-energy_cosmic_ray
     
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  5. Vega Banned Banned

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    To the empirical evidences of the fallacy of the law of gravitation four well known difficulties of the gravitational theory can be added:

    1- Gravitation acts in no time. In order to keep the solar system together, the gravitational pull must propagate with a velocity at least fifty million times greater than the velocity of light. A physical agent requires time to cover distance. Gravitation defies time.

    2- Matter acts where it is not, or in abstentia, through no physical agent. This is a defiance of space. Newton was aware of this difficulty when he wrote in a letter to Bentley: “That gravity should be innate, inherent, and essential to matter, so that one body can act upon another at a distance through a vacuum without the mediation of anything else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an absurdity that I believe no man, who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into it.” Leibnitz opposed the theory of gravitation for this very reason.

    3- Gravitational force is unchangeable by any and all agents or by any medium through which it passes, always propagating as the inverse square of the distances. “Gravitation is entirely independent of everything that influences other natural phenomena” . This is a defiance of the principles governing other energies.

    4- Every particle in the universe must be under a tendency to be pulled apart because of the infinite mass in the universe: it is pulled to all sides by all the matter in space.

    If gravity can be influenced and affected by massive electrical fields then time and space would tear away opening the interdimensional matter stream to enable travelling enormous distances regardless of time.

    Could it?
     
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  7. draqon Banned Banned

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    ever thought that gravitation that propagates now is that of the waves from some time ago? Its like seeing splashes on surface of water...the rock that dropped and made those waves is long gone...but the waves are still there.
     
  8. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    a object traveling at 0.99999c would relativly travel at 223 times c (if my math is correct) due to time dilation. And the mass increase is to make it conform with 0.99999C so it still inpacts at this latest speed but wit a weight of perhaps 2 kilo's?
    Acoording to that impact calculator
    It would give a 2.8 megaton blast

    the universe has infinite mass?
     
  9. eburacum45 Valued Senior Member

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    No; you have just done the calculation twice. The 'ohmygod' particle hit with the force of a baseball travelling at 60mph, not at 0.99999c.
     
  10. navigator Registered Senior Member

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    I believe it is already possible, our government should have several models capable of interplanetary travel.

    What else have they been doing at area 51, that is sooo top secret, for fifty years?
     
  11. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Navigator: Do you really think our government has been able to keep a major secret for 50 years?

    They could not keep our atomic/hydrogen bomb technology secret for more than a few years. They were not able to cover up various scandels like Watergate.

    The stories about Rosewell would require a large number of people to remain silent.

    There is an old adage: "Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead."
     
  12. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    I'm betting that we have the antimatter production to reach and stop at the nearest stars in less then a century in around 2-300 years. Altough it proberly won't be economical until far there afther.
    I rather think that this is a optimistic gues, so it's going to be for the far future annyway.
     
  13. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    No, no and no:

    http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3232
    http://www.csa.com/discoveryguides/gravity/overview.php
    Quote from the latter:
     
  14. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity

    Maybe so maybe not their are some that think it's 20 billion times.Both anti matter dimension and exotic matter are verry young concepts that proberly are less then 20 years old.
     
  15. Singularity Banned Banned

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    If Gravity moves at speed of light , then will be able to catch up with the light moving out of supposed BlackHoles ?
     
  16. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Gravity doesn't have to "catch up"... if light is trying escape from the gravity that's "already there" then it can't get away can it?
     
  17. navigator Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, I do. The US government has de-classified many old documents regarding UFOs, but most of the public chooses to pay no attention.

    Something happened at Roswell that was initially reported on 8/8/47 " RAAF Captures Flying Saucer On Ranch in Roswell Region" .
    Then the next day "Gen. Ramey Empties Roswell Saucer, Says Excitement is Not Justified, Disk is Weather Balloon". Yeah, right!

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    If it was an alien then how hard would it be to reconstruct the craft?

    According to some documents and testamonies from people brave enough to speak about it, the 'shadow government' and 'mj-12' have been communicating with ETs ever since the Roswell incident.

    If you don't believe me here is some interesting info from your government. Sorry not yet able to post links.

    From nsa.gov

    From constitution.org
    Google 'Pleiadians', 'Andromedians', 'Procyonians', 'Zeta', 'Reticulans', 'Sirians', 'Lyrans', or 'Vegans'.

    There is tons of info on this supposed conspiracy.
     
  18. Singularity Banned Banned

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    Its amazing that UFO visit only USA.
     
  19. draqon Banned Banned

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    thats' they current local-thinking agenda.

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  20. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    Well yeah last time they they took some russian guy the specimen escaped by intoxicating the medics with it's breath and the end result is Tunguska incident.
    I may beleive in extra terrestial lifeforms but somewhat the greys with their cornfield pictures and anal probing are working on my nerves it would be sad for them if they ever should turn out real witch they wouldn't
     
  21. draqon Banned Banned

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    anal Probing huh?

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    the greys certainly answer some weirdo's fantasies. I mean what other disgusting things can aliens do more? lol.
     
  22. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    I'm starting to believe we found the reason why they seem to visit the US so much
     
  23. Janus58 Valued Senior Member

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    After doing so all I'm left with is a sense of how limited both the science education and imagination is for both the people who dream up this stuff up and the people who buy into it.

    Pleiadians, Andromedians, Procyonians, Sirians, Lyrans and Vegans. All based on "brand name" celestrial objects. Where are the aliens from more obscure constellations/Stars? Where are the Microscopiumians, the HD1581ians?

    Even the Zeta Reticulans, which at least come from a lesser known southern constellation, come from a naked-eye visible star. Why don't any aliens come a non naked-eye visible star in the constellation of Musca? (There is a G class star of this type) Why? Because the people who imagine all this stuff are unaware that there are G class stars, like our own, fairly nearby which aren't naked-eye visible. Their imaginings are limited by their limited knowledge.

    Instead we get 'Pleiadians', Beings who apparently colonized the Pleiades, a small star cluster consisting of young hot stars, none of which are even old enough to have formed habitable planets.

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