Intense Shoulder Pain in the Morning?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Xerxes, Jan 3, 2004.

  1. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

    Lately I've been waking up with this intense pain in my shoulders. Its excrutiating. After being awake for half an hour or so, its completely gone with only a few exceptions during the day. Those exceptions are insignificant compared to the morning pain.

    I've been working out, and yes, my shoulders look a lot more 'pumped.' :))) But the pain (at least the bulk of it,) is *not likely* from a buildup of acid or muscle growth.

    If it continues, I'll go to the doctor. But I'd like to hear from your experiences first. So any ideas?
  2. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

    It could be a torn rotator cup or tendonitis or bursitis. Only a doctor can tell for certain. If you have problems lifting your arms up from your sides slowly, like you were trying to flap your arms like wings, it would be the rotator cup I'll bet. If you just have intense pain without moving them much then tendonitis. Again , see you doctor it could be just muscle strain also.
  3. coluber Registered Senior Member

    wow cosmictraveler

  4. outlandish smoki'n....... Registered Senior Member

    yo! Dr Cosmic, while you're here......I have this rash.........

  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

    Then scratch it! :D
  6. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

    Thankyou, Dr. CT :)

    So I'll probably get used to it, and by then the pain will have stopped?
  7. David Mayes Registered Senior Member

    The basics

    One of the fundamentals of health is "recovery", so if you have an injury, it's not a good idea to be training, especially if that training involves the muscle group or area of the body affected.

    So I'd stop ALL upper body training.
    Also it seems to me that when one sleeps, blood flow can be compromised by sleeping position, this might be why it's sore after waking but subsides within 30 or so minutes after your circulation has a chance to flow better.
  8. Vortexx Skull & Bones Spokesman Registered Senior Member

    The potential dangerous deltexercises are the upright row and the barbell behind neck press. However these are very effective masspackers for the shoulders, so maybe pre-exhaustion would be a good idea like:

    SIDE DELTS after wich traps are trained

    8 * 8 dumbell side raises
    8 * 8 dumbell shoulder press
    8 * 8 barbell behind neck press or medium grip uprightrow

    FRONT DELTS after training upper chest

    8 * 8 plate front raises
    8 * 8 arnold dumbell press
    8 * 8 barabell front press

    I train the front delts after upper chest, while you may use move less weight due to front delts already being somewhat tired from incline dumbell presses. that is exactly the reason why you can no go overboard with the weight used in delt exercises and hurt yourself, also delts get more days to rest if trained with chest.

    The lack of raw weight doesn't really matter if you use some other tricks to up the intensity, for example the Vince Gironda 8 * 8 routine with extremely low rest intervals:

    Strengthening the rotator cuff with specific exercises (cuban presses etc) is also paramount to prevent shoulderinjuries.
    I do rotator cuff training together with Rear delts and the lower traps, because one of the most common problems in most people is that their upper traps are much stronger than their lower traps leading to imbalance and pain in the neck and shoulders.
  9. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

    Thanks, Vortexx. I'll try some of that out (I'm starting to think its the rotator cup.):cool:


    I wish I could, but that would compromise all of the work I've been doing. And also, this could just be one of those thresholds that you have to break through before reaching a new peak of fitness. Like a shoulder hymen or something. To toughen the joint, even though I may be doing it damage. Yes, I haven't been working out *as much*, but I'd like to keep that a temporary thing.

    The circulation idea is also possible since I have some veins bulging there (a bit more than usual,) but so do many others.
  10. David Mayes Registered Senior Member

    It's your choice, but if you took a 1-2 week break, you might either repair the problem or notice significant pain reduction, if so, that's hardly going to compromise you longterm, but aggravating it by continuing your training might compromise you longterm.

    I'll leave it to you,.... life is an ongoing learning experience.
  11. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

    Swimming is a good excersise for problems with rotator cups. Just swim about 20 laps then change strokes likr the breast stroke to the back stroke to the crawl etc. Just keep changing for about an hour of swimming.
  12. SwedishFish Conspirator Registered Senior Member

    try switching hands every once in a while
  13. NightFall Lazy Hedonist Valued Senior Member

    ...if you wake up with shoulder pain its probably from overexertion the night before....

    sorry, i dont have a damn clue how to spell over exertion.
  14. Tallguy That's the way it is... Registered Senior Member

    Sleeping with your arms over your head may also cause the temporary pain you're experiencing. I know it sounds silly to sleep that way, but some people with asthma or other troubles breathing may find it easier to sleep with their arms up.

    anyway, that's my 2 cents.
  15. NightFall Lazy Hedonist Valued Senior Member

    htf? if that is the case, i would think he wouldv'e figured out the old rule of "if it hurts, don't do it"....

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