Intelligent Design

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Xelasnave.1947, Sep 11, 2018.

  1. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks for your opinion.
     
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  3. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    I think an eternal God created Adam and Satan to exist for a short time in order to spawn learning which is the world we are born into.
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    It's historical record. The oldest writings are carved into stone and baked into clay tablets, and there isn't much in the way of storytelling in them - about Gods or anything else.
    No point. Too much hassle, too much expense, for what anyone who could "read" already had memorized or easy access to in the dominant oral tradition.
     
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  7. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Checkout the Sumerian tablets, if you want to learn.
     
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The earliest known written Sumerian accounts of gods or myths date to about 1600 BCE, more than a thousand years after the first known Sumerian writing. It was probably written by a specially educated class of priests, after spoken Sumerian had become extinct in general society, as Latin was used by priests in the Christian religion long after the Roman Empire was dust.

    The earliest known Sumerian writing - by a thousand years - is stuff like this:

    "Enlil, king of all the lands, father of all the gods, by his firm command, fixed the border between Ningirsu and Šara."

    "Mesilim, king of Kiš, at the command of Ištaran, measured the field and set up a stele there."

    "Ush, ruler of Umma, acted unspeakably."

    "He ripped out that stele and marched toward the plain of Lagaš."

    "Ningirsu, warrior of Enlil, at his just command, made war with Umma."

    "At Enlil's command, he threw his great battle net over it and heaped up burial mounds for it on the plain."

    "Eannatum, ruler of Lagash, uncle of Entemena, ruler of Lagaš"

    "fixed the border with Enakale, ruler of Umma"
     
  9. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Yep.
     
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  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The key point: writing did not have the status of "authority" - from "author" - then that it does now. People got their history and religion from professional storytellers who had memorized it, whose reputations and integrity backed it up. They wrote down mainly what the storytellers did not regard as worth memorizing, but needed to be on record for strangers or kings/administrators.
    The Marduk Prophecy is not Sumerian, and is not among the older Sumerian writings. The Sumerian language had been dead for hundreds of years before that story was even commissioned by the Ruler who needed his awesomeness celebrated.
     
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  12. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    No and neither has any made up human god...its a myth...how many times do I have to say that for you to realise I speak the truth...JC was just another Elvis impersonator according to easily accessible history.
    It never happened
    ..it is a myth....nothing to see here.
    Alex
     
  13. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Do you know where Sumer was? Do you know who Marduk is?
     
  14. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    With that attitude, you'll never learn, but you're not alone!
     
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    I read your link, at least.

    It tells you who commissioned that story, when it was composed (and possibly but not certainly first written, long before the version preserved - let's say it was, that's still many hundreds of years after the last native speaker of Sumerian had died), and what it was about (the awesomeness of a Babylonian king).

    Did you read your link?
     
  16. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    I have read it several times. Have you heard of the Marduk cult?
     
  17. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    No all the evidence points to an eternal universe.
    It is undeniable.
    Crazy is thinking thete is an eternal entity that pops out of eternity to create a finite universe with only one little spot to place its look alike made out of mud humans...come on that is as crazy an idea that you can make up.
    You can accept an eternal does not get out much creator but not an eternal universe supported by our best science.

    Yes we discovered drugs...drink smoking pot and gold tops...so sure we started thinking some crazy stuff.
    Religions were centered on taking some sort of mind destroying drug.
    Never say never.
    Whats to learn other than the details of a myth and it is a myth.
    JC was just another human god invented by humans and history shows that beyond any reasonable doubt...they were all based on astrology ... an effort to lonk to the Sun god...it is well known and there is no dispute...JC was a myth.
    Alex
     
  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    You indulge a myth.
    Where do you get these crazy notions?
    How do I know what drug effected ancient folk were thinking.
    They got smashed and made up crazy shit ...
    Are you drinking bong water?
    A book of fiction does not explain anything.
    You may as well look to Harry Potter for your morality.
    Its all a myth..
    Alex
     
  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 70 years old Valued Senior Member

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    How short was the short time for Adam? for Satan?

    in order to spawn learning

    And someone who stated "don't eat from the tree of knowledge" brings what you posted above as Plan B?

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  20. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    What evidence?

    I'm sure it is supported, but not by mainstream science man.

    Do you know who the first brewers of beer according to history/mythology? were?

    Do you mean the man didn't exist? or the other stuff?
     
  21. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    The bible. If you want to discuss a religious text you can't keep on responding with "it's a myth", it's pointless.

    Do you know you act like a one man band religion?
     
  22. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    That’s exactly what Alex is.
    He has this strange notion that he is advocating science.
    Maybe if one of his atheist chums, give him a gentle nudge, he may wale up.

    Jan.
     
  23. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Then why did you post it here, and greet my reposting of its content with questions and doubts?
    It's not an example of anyone's earliest writing, it's not Sumerian, and it's about the awesomeness of a Babylonian king.
    To revisit:
    That is, this:
    is a false claim.
     

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