* * * *MODERATOR'S NOTE * * * * [This post contains controversial assertions that stray far outside the bounds of linguistics. Members are urged not to shift this thread into discussions better suited for other subforums such as History and Human Science. Any posts that tend in that direction will be deleted. The poster has dutifully included a remark sucking up to the Moderator, a successful technique for avoiding personal criticism. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!] me too. I had expected to learn from him when I asked why, but not that jackpot of information. My POV on the economic future of China vs the US is well known here. Brief summary for the few who may not know: In a few decades the relative importance in the world will be reversed and China will surpass the US economically in a few years after the run on the dollar starts* (less than a decade from now.) Because of my age, I had decided it was too late for me to try to learn Mandarin (Portuguese, is giving me enough trouble, here in Brazil) After Fraggel's post I may want to reconsider that decision. I have a short wave radio and when spending nites alone in a motel use it. Quite often I hear good signals teaching Chinese, but in past I have quickly tunned elsewhere. That at least will change. It may not be only their better language for clear thinking that makes the Chinese test better in math and disproportionately do well in sciences courses (in my experience in US universities) but also they may have been more naturally selected for their problem solving and planning abilities. - Just a theory of mine based on fact all humans came out of Africa. Those groups that traveled thru long and difficult routes probably selectively lost "the dumber ones" - I.e. only the more intelligent ones made it over the mountains that start in Turkey, pass thru Tibet etc. or across the vast deserts of central China etc. They tested the strange white "flat land" in valleys we now call "iced over rivers," which their African father had never seen before walking out on it etc. By this theory, the Japanese should be even more intelligent than the Chinese as they did all that AND crossed a Sea. Caucasians should on average be dumber than both and the "stay behinds" in Africa who did not have these new envirmental challenges as selection agents should have the lowest intelligence on average. That is not PC, so I hasten to state that any differences that this theory suggests are very minute compared to the variation in all groups. - I.e. given the same educactional experience from birth probably the top 49% of the groups that never left Africa are intrensically more intellignet than the bottom 49% of the Japanese. But this is only a theory, put forth by a Caucasian. - So who would give that much credit? - It is sort of self contradictory is is not? - If it were valid, some Japanese would have published it long ago. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ------------------- *China could start it tomorrow, but will not as they still need the US and EU markets for their productive capacity. The rapidly growing domestic wealth and long term obligations China has signed to assure its needed imports of energy, raw material and food stocks will be paid for by Chinese products in trade with these suppliers. When the total demand of this non-US, Non-EU trade plus domestic demand can absorb the Chinese factory output, then it will be to China's advantage to destroy the dollar as the resulting depression in US & EU will reduce the cost of these essential imports more than the losses in their central bank reserves of dollars.) Of course, one of the major Arab sellers of oil may act first to cause/ trigger the run on the dollar. There is considerable advantage to being the first to do so. There was consideralbe speculation about jointly decoupling from the Dollar prior to the just concluded meeting of these sellers. - sort of scary that not one word about that is in their released summary.