Inherent Meaning

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Bowser, Jul 6, 2018.

  1. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    You haven't answered my question! Ask the same question in any language and (honestly) they will answer, "T." That's because ONE has an inherent VALUE, as does language.
     
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  3. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    But "T" doesn't.
     
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  5. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    But it's a letter of the Roman Alphabet. If I asked you to print the first letter of a Chinese post, you would be able to recite it acurately. Mathematics is a universal language because of the inherent value numbers and symbols contain. Without an innate constant, language would not be possible. ☺
     
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  7. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Chinese characters are not "letters" in the same sense as Latin letters or letters in many other alphabets. So no, your point fails.
    How does that prove that other languages have inherent values?
    What's the innate value of "bat"?
     
  8. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    YOU know!
     
  9. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    But you don't seem to know. If the word has an inherent meaning, you should be able to tell us what it is.
     
  10. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Really?
    Then why is so much time, effort and paper spent defining them?

    Still making unsupported claims....
    (One question: if there truly is an "innate language" why don't we all speak that instead of English/ French/ Russian etc?)
     
  11. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    We do. All languages are based upon an innate, universal language. Should I create a new language, it will be based on the language I speak and understand. That which has been passed down from early humans, which was not taught to them, but which they KNEW.
     
  12. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Not going by the evidence. (E.g. French/ German/ English...)

    Unsupported supposition.

    Balls.
     
  13. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    Which has a translation into other languages.
     
  14. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    What's the inherent meaning of "bat"?
     
  15. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    What do YOU mean? YOU know!
     
  16. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Just answer the question. If there's an inherent meaning, tell us what it is.
     
  17. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    It's whatever YOU mean it to be. However, there should be a translation available.
     
  18. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Then it isn't "inherent" or "natural" is it?
     
  19. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    Well it is.
     
  20. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    You just said that it depends on what I mean by it. That is not an inherent meaning. It's a relative meaning.
     
  21. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    Not by what you meant by it.
     
  22. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, if the meaning depends on what I meant, then the meaning is not inherent or natural. If it was inherent or natural, you would immediately know which meaning I meant. But you can't.
     
  23. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    You are writing ab-out a flying rodent. Otherwise you would have written, "A bat."
     

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