Inherent Meaning

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Bowser, Jul 6, 2018.

  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Which means that the word mountain is endemic to English. And intaba is endemic to Zulu.

    Neither are "natural".
    And neither are the case in "any" language.
     
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  3. river

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    exactly , each language describes a mountain in its own way .
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So, not "natural" at all.an-made.

    So, man made. Indeed individually culture-made.
     
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  7. river

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    yes of course

    that is what I mean't all along , you just misunderstood what I was getting at .

    every word in any language has an inherent meaning . The origin of any word has a basis to it . based on the language its self and what it is describing .
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And that's where you miss the point, river.
    Tell me what is the difference between a hill and a mountain and would a Zwahili tribesman have a word for mountain in the first place. Would the word "mountain" resonate in the tribesman's brain and he would see the full scope of the difference between a mountain and a hill.
    It's mathematics. Knowing the difference between the meaning of "more and less".
    That's counting.
     
  9. river

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    Zwahili tribesman uses the a word to describe what he sees , that's all .

    mathematics is irrelevant
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    There you go, each discoverer makes up his own words (language) to identify what he has discovered.
    Language is a mathematical construct.
     
  11. river

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    whats with this insistence of mathematical construct ?
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    It is my answer to the God question.
     
  13. river

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    why?
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Because it is a rational concept of the nature of spacetime and how reality becomes explicated.
    An implacable collection of dynamical mathematical values and function, a deterministic matrix.

    Think of a fractal zoom and the incredible and fantastical journey it takes you on. An infinite number of abstract shapes can emerge from a simple fractal function alone.

    And fractals are expressed in nature everywhere. As is the Fibonacci Sequence.
    No one invented those functions, they are inherent potentials of the spacetime fabric.
     
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  15. river

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    of which all the values have decimal places . gravity , planck constant , pie , elementry charge , gas constant etc .

    inotherwords the mathematics of these values is based on the objects and/or their behavior . not from space

    the abstract fractal shapes never change . they are based on the shape that was before .
     
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  16. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Bollocks - you just state your case very badly (or change your mind about what you do mean).

    No.
    And no.

    Likewise:
    No.
    And
    Meaningless.
     
  17. river

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    whatever
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, and variable values to boot.
    The values and their mutual interactions are mathematically determined by both the interactive values of the objects and the values of the medium, i.e. external environment.
    Oh again, I really disagree We can start with a simple triangle based fractal and make the most beautiful curved patterns, flowers, galaxies, cosmic clouds.

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    Or we can start with a mandelbrot fractal and slightly alter the mathematics.


    In fact we can make a curve from simple straight lines of the same size. It's really neat....

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    And if you want to see an expressed pattern shape of the number value "4/3", watch this:
    https://www.ted.com/talks/roger_antonsen_math_is_the_hidden_secret_to_understanding_the_world

    And "The Life of a Circle",
     
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  19. river

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    yes , but the values are determined by the objects themselves . their interactions within themselves and with other objects . movement.
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Right, and that process is strictly regulated by mathematical permissions and restrictions. It is not God who says YES or NO to an event which follows mathematical imperatives. It is spacetime itself which allows or restricts the processes in accordance to all the extant mathematically related potentials. If not mathematically allowed, the functional event does not happen.
     
  21. river

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    mathematics is irrelevant

    it is the objects that rule mathematics .

    take away objects , on what does mathematics fundamentally ground it self on ?
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That's the wrong question. Take away the mathematical function and objects would not be able to form, there would be total chaos. The mathematics bring order (patterns) to chaos, as well as to objects which must follow the mathematical patterns.

    Chaos Theory is a mathematical discipline
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory
     
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  23. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    Mountain. A translation to an innate language must be available else language would not exist at all. ☺
     

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