Indiana's freedom to discriminate law

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Magical Realist, Mar 29, 2015.

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  1. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    About simple ways to transport things without government-build Autobahns:
    Ok, I give up.

    I know, they also have to drink water, and they cannot without government-provided aqueducts and water pipes.

    Tired of so much ....., sorry.
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Wells and stock tanks or ponds are the common first provisions along extended trade routes, when the Hardin Commons management of common grazing areas and river access points can no longer handle the increased traffic, or in the desert caravans example when water supplies are difficult to tap and sparse. Aqueducts and water pipes come as cities grow - more characteristic of State level government.

    Meanwhile, the example of racial oppression in the US might be easier for you to consider - more recent, more familiar, closer to your experience and information base. And also directly thread relevant - it's quite closely tied to the Indiana laws.
     
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  5. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Fine. Obvioiusly, the problems you mention here become relevant only once the markets grow, the trade routes become extended trade routes. Nice to hear the implicit funny thesis that wells need governments (not? In this case, mentioning them would be off-topic).

    You have no knowledge at all about what is familiar to me, close to my experience and what is my information base.
     
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    I didn't say close or familiar, I said closer and more familiar. You don't know jack shit about transporting trade goods to market across "pure nature", but you have rented a room from a stranger or visited a clinic in a city or eaten at a restaurant when far from home, yes?

    So in considering the freedom of contract problem in racially bigoted Indiana, you are not completely without background or experience.

    I illustrated how and when the new problems kick in, as follows: " when the Hardin Commons management of common grazing areas and river access points can no longer handle the increased traffic, or in the desert caravans example when water supplies are difficult to tap and sparse." Note that the early, small markets have smaller needs that require only small governments - often a tribal council that meets once a year for a few days can handle a Hardin Commons pasturage at the Market Fair, for example - and as markets grow they put demands on government, forcing growth and structural change (if one wants to maintain the market growth).
    Wells and water supplies capable of handling trade caravans and the like do require significant government to create and maintain and regulate, yes.
     
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    It appears that there is even a more important error in the Basu paper. The two equilibria are an artefact of the model - that it does not allow part-time child labor. With part-time child labor allowed, the two equilibria disappear, the one with child labor goes easily down to the one without, using part-time child labor on the way to the other equilibrium. See here.
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Do you have a problem finding threads of continuity, or is this some kind of deliberate imposition of hassle on people?
    That's not an error, that's a description.

    The equilibria exist, in other words, wherever employers enforce the hours they require of their paid employees, and require full time attendance on the job. That is a common circumstance.

    One of the common coercive government regulations for moving an economy off of sub-optimal equilibria is a limiting of hours an employer may require of their employees - especially children.
     
  10. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    I have posted this in this thread because here the Basu paper has been discussed before. And it has nothing to do with Holocaust denial.
    No. Such a stupid decision (using two much less tired half-time children would give much better results) by all employees would be yet another prerequisite for the two equilibria to appear.
     
  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The thread on absurd denials has plenty of room for your denial of child labor equilibria under market capitalism. It's there already.
    Yet another aspect of reality you declare to be in your view stupid, and therefore to not exist.
     
  12. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Mod Hat — Closure

    You know, we should probably be clear:


    No. You have posted in this thread because you show no respect for this community or any of its participants. When people point out that pretty much any thread you participate in seems to become about you and your pet fallacies, this particular discussion stands out as symbolic because it represents an occasion in which we decided specifically to not punish a new user for obvious misbehavior; that is to say, instead of giving you another chance, we should have thrown you out, then, and passing time only presses the argument that the arrogant disregard shown this community, for other people, facts, and basic integrity, are pretty much all you brought.

    You posted your latest in this thread because this is one of the threads subject to your hubris. Which, in turn, isn't really much of an excuse at all.

    Which, in turn, describes the character you present us. Should you have something more to offer than two-bit, rudy poot, puti-toot fallacy and excrement, well, that would be an improvement. Most likely. Well, you know, it's the internet, so, whatever; it's entirely possible the real you is even more ridiculous.

    Meanwhile, that you posted here because it matched some part of your former disrespect for this community only asserts to highlight the problem you present.
     
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