UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

As opposed to your "They were there and they don't know what they saw?"

 

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It seems related to the fallacious argument from incredulity: a flock of geese or a breaching whale is more likely or believable than a ufo, therefore...etc.etc..

 

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Noooooo

As opposed to Made (collectively) up the whole event

Newspapers published testimony from witnesses who said that they had seen extraordinary solar activity, such as the Sun appearing to "dance" or zig-zag in the sky, careen towards the Earth, or emit multicolored light and radiant colors. According to these reports, the event lasted approximately ten minutes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun

IF WITNESSES had seen extraordinary solar activity, such as the Sun appearing to "dance" or zig-zag in the sky, careen towards the Earth, or emit multicolored light and radiant colors.

effects on the Earth would be catastrophic and reported world wide

My 2 cents worth - looking at the sun caused eyes to produce said effects, namely (appearing to "dance" or zig-zag in the sky, careen towards the Earth, or emit multicolored light and radiant colors. )

So YES they DIDN'T SEE what they saw - as opposed to your taking, frequently, witnesses at their word, simply because they were there

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Well, Michael has hit the nail on the head, in that the "Miracle" he refers to is one of the best known UAPs in all human history, claimed to be seen by many, many people, and yet it cannot have objectively happened as claimed.

That puts the lie to the idea that we can always take what witnesses claim to see as objectively real. Witnesses DO misperceive and misidentify mysterious unidentified aerial phenomena. That cant be argued.

And that places the onus on the UFO believer to demonstrate that a given UAP - even one seen by many multiple witnesses - is somehow not a misperception and misinterpretation.

 

And as I mentioned, as 4 years Radio Technician RAAF, even if the witness is a technical piece of equipment, once we fixed the glitch UFO magically disappear

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Was that before or after the object was confirmed by being sighted by pilots and detected by other radars as happened with the 40 ft long tic tac.

 

Most times was a single piece of equipment with a glitch

Can't recall any glitches being visually sighted

Some visual sightings did not show up on radar but that's normal

Most visual sightings seem to vanish before pilots get a good close look to confirm an identity

Guess what? The Unidentified Flying Object becomes a ? ? ?

All together now

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But, but that's just your mental illness and paranoia surfacing when it comes to witnesses. My bold below

I think the idea of this thread is that we are all suppose to forget what MR has said about witnesses and what ufos ''ARE'' in past posts.
Wonder why they keep an archive on this site.

MR and Yazata don't seem to have gotten the idea that others here are not saying ufos cannot possibly be craft.
It's a question of the offered evidence, and of course MR & Co know more than anyone about foreign state spying technology.

 

You pretty much post the same things over and over in this thread. Why do you do that?

 

You pretty much post the same things over and over in this thread. Why do you do that?

 

Edit to add LACK OF EVIDENCE after reading James reply

Lack of LACK OF EVIDENCE ANYTHING temporal supernatural or extradimensional gives me (as a anybody) all confidence to rule those OUT

If 10 is 100% ruled out put me down for a 10

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I know that statement from very personal experience

But but but the saying has its limits. I'll keep my 10 as a 10

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The only ones obligated to establish the claim that the eyewitness(s) misperceived something are the skeptics not the believers. The believers aren't obliged to prove a negative or a claim they didn't make.

 

You are the one continually claiming that witnesses always accurately perceive reality, and you use that to claim various implications (such as 'that means it had windows').

It is factually incontrovertible that witnesses do misperceive things.

OK, witness X thought he saw a shape in the sky that might have moved oddly, according to him.

So what? say we. People see weird stuff all the time. What's your point?

You hope to use that to claim UFO. That's the claim. The onus is on you.

 

And, on the strength of such believers alone, you MR make statements on this thread like:
My bold below

Did you see the ''beings'' yourself MR?

''ARE''

 

Says The Magic Roundabout pilot.

 

It is more logical to accept the accuracy of what multiple eyewitnesses say they saw than to dismiss their accounts as misperceptions. I trust what the eyewitnesses say they saw over what the skeptics say the eyewitnesses saw or didn't see. It's just common sense. Skeptics are inherently biased against ufos by their own belief system.