In a democracy, do we deserve the leaders we elect?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gamelord, Jul 12, 2018.

  1. Seattle Valued Senior Member

    Not necessarily. If the if some minority representation built in that won't be literally true.
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Not the majority who want safe and legal abortion, some reasonable gun control, progressive income taxation, socialized medical insurance of some kind, clean air and water, demilitarized police, regulated banks, and equality of rich and poor under the law.

    For the past forty years a majority of Americans have consistently voted for politicians belonging to the Democratic Party in Federal elections for Congress and the Presidency. Did that majority get the government they wanted?
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  5. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

    No. You made a claim on this forum. Back it up on this forum. You said there was a voting method that is better than first-past-the-post. Demonstrate that that is true.
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  7. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

    The USA is not a democracy. It is supposed to be a representative democracy but it is not even that.
    The President is not elected by the population. Democrats & Republicans take turns having a president. Republican presidents get more & more stupid. Obviously, it does not take much intelligence to become President.
    Other elections are won usually by people with money & they find ways to repay those who gave them the money.
    If someone does not have big money & cannot get enough wealthy people to donate, it is near certain they cannot be elected. The wealthier a candidate is, the easier it is to get others to donate.
    City council meetings require prayer. They also require, if you want to address the council, you to fill out a card with your name, address & what you want to speak about before you know what the council will be discussing.
    Law enforcement cannot be trusted. Juries cannot be trusted. District attorneys are much more concerned with winning cases than they are with justice. Police have quotas to fill. People called into court as witnesses can be charged with contempt of court for not putting their hand on the bible. Atheists & other minorities are much more likely to be convicted. The poor are much more likely to be convicted.
    Voting districts are laid out in ways that limit the representation of various groups of people.
    Candidates lie, once in office it becomes clear they lied yet they are reelected after more lying.
    A black President did very little to decrease unfair prejudice. A handicapped governor does nothing for handicapped people.
    Federal income tax does not go to the government. It goes to the Federal Reserve. Income tax on businesses is paid by consumers.
    HOAs severely limit homeowners' rights.
    Government officials try to make it difficult to take advantage of laws they do not agree with rather trying to change those laws.
    Shutting down the government is definitely not representing the people. If they cannot end a program, they defund it.
    Tacking an unrelated amendment onto a bill is not representing the people. It is sneaky & nasty.
    Most people do not vote & I cannot blame them. It is futile.
    Government mainly represents big business & the wealthy.
    I certainly do not deserve the vast majority of candidates on either side & they do not come close to 50% of deserving my vote.

    Last edited: Jul 21, 2018

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