Impunity for war crimes in Gaza and southern Israel

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  1. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    A comprehensive Amnesty report on the recent Israeli massacre of Palestinians.

    We will not forget.

    (http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-...el-recipe-further-civilian-suffering-20090702)

    Some points:
    *Obama is still silent on this outrage, thus his integrity as a promoter of democracy and human rights, is fraudulent and a (further) blight on the American people.
    *Notwithstanding the available evidence provided in this report, the mainstream Corporate Media is overwhelmingly silent on this outrage, yet, incredibly, finds ample opportunity, and without evidence, to declare Iran`s elections unfree and unfair.

    Anyone care to comment on this sad state of affairs?
     
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  3. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    (sigh) Well, I'm USAmerican, complicit, and ashamed. Not only must we not forget, we've got to break through the lies that allow our "progressive" "minority" President Obama to promote and defend genocide and segregation.

    Pssst! Do something.
     
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  5. bluesea50 Registered Member

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    crimes crimes always crimes this is the human
     
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  7. otheadp Banned Banned

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    LOL

    Amnesty International has lost its credibility vis-a-vis its criticisms of Israel and its enemies a loooooong time ago, which unfortunately casts doubt on their entire global mandate.

    Of course, all of its charges are at best recklessly inaccurate.
     
  8. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    If anything Amnesty eases up in it's criticism when condemning the USA's allies. Super patriots in the USA and Israel backers can't tolerate any criticism of the USA or Israel so most media tones down their criticism of the USA's allies even more than Amnesty does which makes Amnesty look like it is out on a intellectual limb.

    Amnesty's critics sometimes say things like "you don't here Amnesty criticizing Angola" to suggest Amnesty has a bias but the reason you won't here about Amnesty criticizing Angola is not because Amnesty has a bias but rather because nobody gives a damn about Angola and therefore no media source will quote Amnesty on Angola.

    For a different reason nobody feels the need to quote Amnesty on China. That China is a human rights abuser is old news. Israel is a different story because Americans on both sides are caught up in Israel's drama emotionally which makes Israel news worthy and there is such a huge discrepancy between how Israel's supporters and detractors view Israel which also makes Israel news worthy.

    But of course otheadp, my bet is on Amnesty International as being the objective party and on you and those criticizing Amnesty International on Israel as being the unobjective ones. If you want to complain that most of the world's nations are crueler than Israel and their cruelty should be exposed then you would have a valid point but that complaint would be against the mainstream media and not against Amnesty international.
     
  9. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    in other words their not allowed to criticize Israel when they do something wrong?( and they also go after Israel's enemies)

    Israelis them selves have noted that if their enemies used the same ROE that Israel uses a large portion perhaps even a majority of the civilian population of Israel would be valid targets
     
  10. otheadp Banned Banned

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    This "this caught up emotionally with Israel" argument is admitting discrimination. It falls right into narrative that Israel is now the Jew among nations. Before Israel was born there was anti-Semitism against individual Jews and people, and now it's directed at their state. Israel is nobody's whipping boy. What you're suggesting is that because the Arabs are so emotionally involved with the poor "Palestinians" they should get a pass for what they're doing to their very own people, which far surpasses anything that they percieve Jews to be doing.

    I don't know man... words seem to fail me to express the disgust I feel. Do you know that poor Darfurian refugees are not escaping to their brotherly Egypt from the live burnings and village rapists that chase them on horses. They escape to Israel. But first they have to go through the Egyptian security forces who shoot them on sight. I guess you're not emotionally involved in that since the Darfurians don't have an army of refined demagogues with British accents that are welcomed to CNN day in and day out, and given op-ed space in the NYT on a regular basis, and so the public has never even heard of their plight and the butchery they experience every day by quantity and quality much worse than 100 "Cast Lead" operations in Gaza - first by their own government, and then by their "brothers" in Egypt. And of course then they're betrayed by AI by underreporting it or not reporting it at all for fear of being kicked out of Egypt.

    Shame on you, and shame on AI.
     
  11. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    SOS Israel isn't responsible for its crimes grow up. The arab nations should have to pay for their crimes and so should Israel.
     
  12. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    Have you properly read this 129 page report? Or are you just spouting the PREDICTABLE default ignorant/defensive US reply?

    State your case, point out any "recklessly inaccurate" issues in the report.

    Is this report below also "recklessly inaccurate" ?

    Israel soldiers speak out on Gaza
    (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8149464.stm)

    We will not forget.
     
  13. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Another word for impunity is sovereignty.
     
  14. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    Um no it isn't.
     
  15. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    So Mexico can raid Texas with impunity?
     
  16. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    The Mexicans are already raiding Texas!! In fact, they're invading with a huge army of soldiers.

    But that's not much different to how the Palestinians fire rockets and mortars into Israel, then claim that they didn't do it, that it was some rogue group.

    Baron Max
     
  17. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    Just taking back what is rightfully theirs.
    For the zillionth time, it is UNREASONABLE to expect a people who are imprisoned and denied self determination, NOT to resist. Apartheid Israel is a rogue nation, and should be dealt with accordingly.
     
  18. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Been watching Robert Greenwald much ?
     
  19. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    I don't think so. I don't think Arab support for Palestinians was based on anti-Semitism though it may create anti Semitism.

    In the USA I don't think the anti-Israel faction was created by anti-Semitism. Just as the majority of Israel backers in the USA are not Jews. If Israel versus the Palestinians /Arabs was a Rocky movie who is Rocky Balboa and who is Apollo Creed? It is all about story lines. For Israelis and Palestinians and for the children of holocaust survivors it is their life but for the gawkers it is all about story lines even if they are forced to pay taxes to support one side or the other side.

    And the story lines are not the old the Jews killed Jesus story lines or any other of the old European anti-semitic story lines. The stories are competing tales of victimization and overcoming adversity.

    The exception being an American subculture of a subculture of Christian Zionists who desire for an Israel to be at the center of World war three quickly so that Jesus will return and they will be raptured to heaven in their lifetimes. There are probably ten million Americans hoping for that.

    I think this is an intellectual defense mechanism that people deeply loyal to Israel use to not be hurt by the criticism of Israel.

    There clearly are a tiny non-Muslim fringe of people who are still connected to the old European style anti-Semitism from their parents or who have re-embraced aspects of that ideology for it's shock value in the USA or in Germany. In the USA being blatantly anti-semitic is more taboo than having purple hair and body piercings and that is it's appeal.

    But you probably think I am anti-semitic simply because believing that would make your world less complex.

    The Arabs and Muslims are a different story from the European and American lefties who support Palestinians as part of a larger policy of supporting all victimized underdogs. In some families brothers fight all the time and hurt each other but if an outsider tries to hurt one of the brothers family loyalty will kick in and the brother will defend each other. As far as I can tell the depth of the Arab and Muslim anger at Jews did not exist prior to the problems between Jews and Palestinians and is an outgrowth of Arab and Muslim loyalty to Palestinians.

    As far as the hypocrisy of the Arab leaders being unsympathetic victimizers and then moaning about the victimization of the Palestinians hypocrisy, lies and general evilness has always been normal for politicians and dictators from all ethnicities.

    Arab leaders should not get a pass. I wonder what Is wrong with these cowardly Arabs that they won't risk their lives to overthrow the slimey Arab leaders including those Arab leaders allied the USA.


    I don't know anything about that story. The only decent reason I can think of for the Egyptians to not revolt is that the US government sends a lot of money to Egypt and would stop doing so if that government was overthrown.

    Israel takes in Darfuris? I never hear of such a thing. They are Muslims. I always hear about the Dafuris going to Chad which makes a lot more sense logistically. Are you sure the Darfuris to Israel story is not propaganda?

    Does that mean that you believe AI and I are anti-semetic?

    Do you think AI and I are Ignorant to the point of evilness, or cowardly or senselessly cruel or pandering to some bad people? How to you explain the phenomena of AI and I not being irritated at Israel?
     
  20. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    No, Mexico was stolen from the Indians by the Spainish!! So the Indians should be attacking the USA, not the Mexicans!

    Then they shouldn't complain when there's retalitation for their acts of violence.

    Baron Max
     
  21. otheadp Banned Banned

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    It's been happening for years. I've been reading about it in the Israeli press for that long, but it's not mentioned enough, and rabid anti-Semites like pjdude won't even bother looking there. There are so many Darfuri refugees in Israel. It is ironic that Muslims run away to Israel despite all the lies and blood libels and al-Jazeera defamation. There are so many of them now that people in Israel are now worried that they'll start getting organized and demand citizenship and more status. Israel has been letting them in as refugees without any plan to resettle them anywhere else (like Chad for example, or some European country). I've seen them with my own eyes when I was in Israel on the border of Egypt 2 weeks ago.


    The people who work for AI who are responsible for reporting on Israel and the middle east are morally bankrupt ideologues who have no business at all working for a human rights organization. They are not helping anyone, and certainly they are not doing any right.


    Re: your analogies of brothers fighting, it's not literally brothers fighting. It's Arab tribes massacring each other, or shia v sunni. It's, how you say, an intellectual defense tactic demagogued over and over by bloodthirsty illegitimate rulers.

    As I said, AI has lost its good reputation a long time ago, which is very sad, because they actually do do other reporting that has nothing to do with Israel, and that reporting is now tainted just because the people who wrote it work in the same organization as the people who write intellectually lazy and dishonest reports on Israel.
     
  22. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not rabid nor an antisemite. Despite your beliefs it is possible to be against Israel and not be an abti semite.
    and 5 bucks who they interact with. The jews or the palestinians.
    bleh I'm getting really tired of people trying to show how kind and benevolent Israel is. IT bullshit.
    Or you saw people the Israeli government told was that and like a good little supporter of Israel you said yes sir and never questioned it.




    AAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW you feel perscacuted because your crimes are being reported so you attack those whop report them.


    you said it with no proof and expect people to accept it. Their reporting on Israel is truthful and in fact has Israeli corroboration.
     
  23. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    No problem. The US is already 50% Hispanic via a secret deal with the Indians. The don`t need to invade, they already OWN the US.

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    And of course the Zionists should likewise stop complaining when the odd little firecracker is lobbed over in self defense.
     
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