# Impeller without brake. Propellant VEEG-HEPSY by Víctor Elias Espinoza Guedez

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience Archive' started by victorespinoza, Oct 16, 2013.

1. ### Captain KremmenAll aboard, me Hearties!Valued Senior Member

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That's why you make a scale model. say 5 inches high.
The Intergalactic VEEG-powered full sized model costs Millions of dollars, to be sure.
But the scale model is small, and costs a small amount of money.
I bet you could make a small working model for $20-$30.
You could use the motors in things like electric tooth brushes.

Every engineer uses scale models, because there is never enough money to try out a new idea full scale.
Sometimes an engineer will run a scale model in water, or even denser fluid.
That way, he can run the experiment at reduced speed, and still get valid results.

3. ### spidergoatValued Senior Member

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I told you, get a toy boat, put a small fan in a bag and put it on the boat and put the boat in the tub. I guarantee it won't move. Then put the fan in the boat without the bag, then it moves.

5. ### originTrump is the best argument against a democracy.Valued Senior Member

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For Gods sake!!! This is Victor we are talking about - your comment may have just caused his death by electrocution....

7. ### Beer w/StrawTranscendental Ignorance!Valued Senior Member

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Yeah.

It's like trying to convince Einstein to commit suicide.

8. ### victorespinozaGuest

Theory​

The idea is to absorb air and then expel that same air. This process is repeated constantly because the air will never end.

We can not be without a gas or air which expel for move in the universe. And this video design, provides a good idea to achieve these goals, which is to get as far as possible in outer space.

This model of 8 turbines, works in the following way. See VIDEO:

Experiment​

You just have to: blowing and vacuuming, blowing and sucking.

Video​

You just have to: blowing and vacuuming, blowing and sucking.

Patent pending: today 25 October 2013

The bag inflates and deflates.

Very affectionately,
Victor Elias Espinoza Guedez
Email: victor.espinoza.13@hotmail.com
Email: victoreliasespinoza20@hotmail.com
Web site: www.theory-espinoza.es.tl
Página Web: www.teoria-espinoza.es.tl

9. ### billvonValued Senior Member

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To be serious for a second -

Victor isn't ever going to learn anything from an experiment. He just wants to do animations and imagine stuff. He's not hurting anyone; he just wants to post funny ideas and write letters to people.

(I once tried to convince him to think a little more critically about his ideas. But after about six months of that I realized where he's coming from - and it isn't the land of science.)

10. ### victorespinozaGuest

I'm not the only one who wants to build a propellant. And that is science.

It is not easy to think of something not yet created. I would like to invent and sell a propellant; but the idea not a turbine. Where I get the parts of a propellant. So all I can do is think about my dream and work.

There is something wrong with posting my ideas rather than building them.

I'm a thinker.

11. ### BalerionBannedBanned

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Seriously, I want to see a video of you blowing in a bag and falling over.

12. ### victorespinozaGuest

You are looking for a supermarket plastic bag and blows. You will not fall, but if you're going to take a step backwards.

13. ### LakonValued Senior Member

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wrong post -deleted

14. ### LakonValued Senior Member

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What about when you pee ? Why don't you fall over when you pee ?

15. ### Captain KremmenAll aboard, me Hearties!Valued Senior Member

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Pee contains little VEEG.

16. ### Captain KremmenAll aboard, me Hearties!Valued Senior Member

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Right. I will try that.
Reporting back soon.
Minutes pass...............................

Reporting back. Experiment accomplished.
Equipment used. One Tesco bag.
Amount of VEEG. Full lungful.
Result. I did not take a step back.

Have you tried this yourself Victor?
Try it yourself and tell us what happened when you blew into a plastic shopping bag.

Last edited: Oct 26, 2013
17. ### StryderKeeper of "good" ideas.Valued Senior Member

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From what I can work out (since Victor needs a translator, not just any language differences) is he's trying to suggest that you could create a "perpetual energy" device by ejecting compressed air through a turbine, capturing it after it's been used, re-compressing it on the other side of the turbine and then ejecting back the other way to repeat the same capture, re-compress and eject method.

(In essence it's a similar concept to a piston engine, however instead of combustion he's using compression and instead of piston assembly he's using a turbine.)

The problem with his current model is it violates a number of physics laws (Notibly a number of Newtonian Laws) that aren't just written by boffins in white labcoats, they are actual universal laws which the universe functions to, so they aren't easily bent or broken.

People have already stated where Victors "Propellant VEEG" fails before he even does a test, for instance Capturing an ejected propellant after it's been through a turbine and re-pressurising it is going to cost energy, probably more than what is made from turning the turbine.

There is then the point about the Orifice used for ejecting a propellant stream, the size of the orifice has an effect on the efficiency of how much pressure can be pushed through it, if it's too small then it won't be a high enough volume to push a turbine, if it's too large then there won't be enough force to push the larger volume.

Temperature would also play an important role as even in a closed system since it's dealing with "Gas" and it could alter whatever results would otherwise exist. (For instance Aerosols usually have a temperature warning because they have a set design limit on how pressurised the container should be, if the temperature goes about that the Aerosol can burst. Some people have had this happen in their cars and it can cause a lot of damage.)

I know I can say "Victor I really don't think it will work", however it's not going to stop him trying if he is absolutely sure that he's right. He'll only be able to learn by seeing it for himself, I just hope he's capable of being able to see a prototype not produce the results he wants and still be happy he tried.

18. ### BalerionBannedBanned

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You honestly take a step back when you blow into a bag? Seriously?

19. ### billvonValued Senior Member

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And tips his chair over!

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:roflmao:

21. ### victorespinozaGuest

EXPLANATION​

This is the idea.

Very well explained, but the universe is cold and there will be no high temperature.

22. ### RandwolfIgnorance killed the catValued Senior Member

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'Nuff said. Except to Victor, of course...

But hey, I'm sold. Sign me up Victor, where do I send my check?

23. ### BalerionBannedBanned

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Victor, please post a video of you blowing into a bag and being forced backwards. Simple test.