Imagination.

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Beaconator, Oct 11, 2021.

  1. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    Everything you can imagine exists in reality because your imagination exists in reality.

    The only thing that keeps our imagination from happening is our understanding of our own physical constructs.

    agree or disagree and pose why.
     
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  3. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    In an attempt to remain objective I can neither agree nor disagree..
    There is thought out their that suggests that everything is imaginary, a Matrix of imaginary things held together with imaginary laws ( logic, physics etc. ). The only thing separating this universe from being utterly insane ( chaotic ) is the innate fear driven physical fundamentals that we collectively agree upon with out really knowing that we do. Thus placing the collective imagination of all sentient life in both a bind of logic and an opportunity to dream...all held together by the intense innate fear of insanity . ( or becoming insane )
    Those physical constructs are not just own individual restraints but are generated by a collective fear. A collective fear that an individual can not over come and any attempt to do so can and often does destroy that persons mental/emotional integrity due to the pressure of the collectives reaction. Such is the observed plight of many of humanities genius minds.

    The conundrum of the individual vs collective exists at all levels of consciousness so to speak...
     
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  5. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    Very well said. The idea of fear being the main obstacle to a subjective thought never crossed my mind but I suppose I had to overcome it in order post such a thread.

    Now escaping the insanity that most fear in such thoughts is a real terror.

    What if our greatest efforts to tear apart reality in order to understand it further only end up tearing apart our ideals and strain us further from our goals.

    We create weapons instead of understanding life better. We throw our heads against nature instead of further shining light into imagination and invention.

    The dark ages exist again because we again are satisfied with what we know as opposed to knowing what we don’t.
     
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  7. river

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    Creativity . Imagination . Goes beyond just knowledge . " Imagination is more important than knowledge " a famous quote .
     
  8. river

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    Dark ages only exist in those of this mindset . I don't have this mindset . Nor do many , many , many others .

    Without imagination our understanding of everything would not advance to where they are , in all fields of thought .
     
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  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    If you imagine you can jump off a cliff (without a parachute or similar aid) and magically float down without being injured, then you will quickly find that the law of gravity doesn't care much about your imagination.
     
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  10. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    The understanding of our physical constructs haven’t caught up to our imagination.

    why? Disillusionment.

    in order to jump off a cliff many prototype and imaginary devices were created that worked. This is one example of our imagination overcoming an obstacle.

    so in your mind there exists no further devices that make something imaginary possible?

    because I would bet new cyber systems designed to prevent ransom ware next.
     
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  11. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    I found this while looking for a direct quote.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke's_three_laws

    so it seems the imagination is left with infinite possibilities yet reality is left with few.

    either accept the bounds of reality or embrace something “magical.”
     
  12. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Basically if you don’t believe and you do
    enough science you know that you personally don’t believe. Those are the chains of the satanic angel. If you do believe you have no reason to not create science and knowledge, if you walkthrough earth you can only be saved through religion and science for the sake of your satisfaction and manhood before you literally become complacent as a race. When I do science on human nature FAITH knows something completely different than the unfaithful scientist, because they make fat assumptions and tell of hopelessness, when faith tells the truth about reality, the possibilities are endless.
     
  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    It seems to be that faith makes quite a few fat assumptions of its own.

    What do you mean when you say that scientists "tell of hopelessness"?
     
  14. river

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    Understood . The Human Spirit , never mind any god(s) , nor demi-gods , or the like . We have to think independently .
     
  15. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Belief in life is hope. It is eternal continuation of the universe. If you don’t believe and you do the science to it is like a fat chain in Hades. If you have been cheated you need to relent or we know what they are thinking about the universe. Do you believe in eternal life? Even through eternal reoccurrence. I think death is the most sickening thought as I believe in life and wish to be.
     
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  16. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    Assumptions are the most basic tools of imagination and invention.

    doing science without assumptions is like doing it without hypothesis
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    What does it mean to believe in life?
    I don't know what a fat chain in Hades is like. Please explain.
    Who's "they"?
    No. Do you? Why?
    You mean reincarnation, or a cyclical universe?
    I think that death is a fact of life and it's probably not very healthy to get all hung up on it. I'm also strongly of the opinion that this life we have is not just a poor rehearsal for some better afterlife. I think that's most probably imaginary.

    How about you? Are you rehearsing?
     
  18. river

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    Clean slate . To your last statement . Question the assumptions . Are the assumptions true , partly true , some what true , not true at all ?
     
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  19. river

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    Reincarnation was written out of the bible by some roman ruler , in Constantinople .
     
  20. river

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    Both . To me .
     
  21. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    I would tell you that, but if there a bit of dis logic it would be a liar, talking about believers, and some would think there is logic, but not always, that is crazy. Faith is possible through religion, and the wisdom that I created this world to war in, and still be perfect, for the understanding that body is my own, but the self is FAITH in Heaven and has not fought or been defiled. and create a new son every time with a fresh bit of consciousness and new body every time.

    Don’t do the science to your own demise. Scientist who are non-believers are quite scary because they hate life. But, science was left out of the Bible for a reason, to protect knowledge of Satan. As faiths harm were temptation.

    [/QUOTE]Who's "they"?
    No. Do you? Why?
    I think that death is a fact of life and it's probably not very healthy to get all hung up on it. I'm also strongly of the opinion that this life we have is not just a poor rehearsal for some better afterlife. I think that's most probably imaginary.
    How about you? Are you rehearsing?[/QUOTE]
     
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  22. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    True
     
  23. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    kx000:

    ???
    What a strange notion. Which scientist non-believer told you they hate life? Have you ever taken time to actually talk to a scientists non-believer? How many of them do you know?
    I thought it was left out because the Bible was not intended by its writers to be a scientific text.

    Do you think that science contains knowledge of Satan? How so?
    I thought you believed in reincarnation. Which is it? Are you going to live in Heaven or be reborn in a new body here on Earth? Or are you planning on doing both, somehow?

    How do you know you're going to Heaven?
    ???
     

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