Discussion in 'Eastern Philosophy' started by EmptyForceOfChi, Nov 27, 2005.
what do you people think?.
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More important in what way? Earning money so as to live comfortably? Making one happy and content? Putting one in the hospital for the insane? More important to ones friends and family?
A good author or screenwriter can make a great deal of money using his imagination, but you MUST be aware that they also must be able to write ..which means they must have a good working KNOWLEDGE of language skills. Without it, their imagination is nothing to anyone ...and they'll starve to death!
More important in what way ....that's the key to your topic, not "imagination".
knowledge comes from imagination.
i think a healthy balance of both is necessary,one on its own is very little use.
Without any outside influence???
In theory, yes, however life is not theory.
there is no outside...
there is just parts of yourself...
which you refuse...
which you have not found in yourself yet...
life is theory.
No, not at all. Imagination is needed in order to lead to more knowledge. But without knowledge, imagination simply produces an idea - and ideas alone produce nothing.
Put a slightly different way - MANY people have had ideas (imagination) but did nothing with them. Therefore they were useless.
People once imagined the world to be flat.
Then they knew the world was not. This knowledge is the basis of many inventions and discoveries, however the imagined idea that the world is flat is not.
KNOW...to KNOW is to be inthe past. cause it is already known. news isknown. history is known. science is known is we mean that what we have measured is known. so known is th past, as it is already known. ueful of course but known. know what a mean
Imagination...how are we to DEFINE it...Ralph Abraham defines it "Repression of chaos reults in an inhibition of creativity and thus a resistance to imagination...."
We have been informed by Chaos Theory that in seemingly compl states like running water, for example is a, usually, undiscerned order..and that in Chaotic states bifurcationa can occur into novel new ways of being and understanding etc
i really Do feel that tese maerialistc times do suppress Imagination....do suppress chaotic states of mind. i say it is astraighjacket culture. one only has to experince her at times when people attack spcualitie theories as not being'scientific'---not KNOWN. so knowingism becomes the religion....and ritual )scientific method( to determine what is acceptably known. tusall alternative worldviews can be surrounded by this mindset, and term-in-ATED via ridicule, hostility, slander, diagnositc procedures, etc--all forms of persecution. sameas the Church they rebelled against. it too does/did put down any Imagination ...and knowledge that conflitcs with its enforced worldview
sorry i was meaning it in the same way as einstein ment it, i agree with his opinion about this,
all knowledge, fact, experiments, science, starts int he imagination the ability to wonder about things and philosophise, is the root of all knowledge, and some people seem to put current day fact as a root like its carved ins tone, when usually all theories are proven to be wrong, or have exceptions, or have variables, its all concept even fact, because fact is only fact when in the context that it was put into origonally,
Your complaint is off-base as usual, Duendy. There's plenty of imagination at work in the world today. There's all kinds of reasearch going on and all sorts of ideas floating around.
What YOU are really complaining about is something totally different. You're distressed because you don't see much effort going into the paranormal and psuedo-scientific areas. And the problem is that's there's nothing there to discover. So tighten up your belt a notch - you're in for a very long and uneventful ride.
do you believe in any kind of spiritual "things" like Qi or ESP or other abilities, or sixth sense, or possible other forces or energies nature and humans can command, or correspond to?,
just curious, seeing as your a religious guy, thought you might be more open to over levels/dimentions of forceenergy sub energies if you may. that effect us or we can harness etc etc?
Yes, Chi, I'm religious and believe in God. but anything beyond that, no. My personal belief is that he placed us here, set everything in motion, gave us all the information we need to live our lives and then allowed us to go forward. I do not believe in any form of spirituality, other "senses" beyond the normal ones nor in any of the exotic forces or energy. I see no indication of their existence nor any need for them. I believe they are simply products of imagination and attempts to explain things that can easily be explained in other ways. That and the simple desire on the part of many people who just wish they were real.
i see what you mean,
but with things like Qi/Orgone, i dont just want to believe it in blind faith, i believe it because its real to me, i feel it every day, i can maintain a healthy energy field around me and within me, and i rarely ever get sick, ive only ever had about 3 colds, and flu once, chicken pox for 2 days, thats about it, and i liv ein london its cold, everybody gets colds here and i dont catch it,
what is your opinion on evolution then, and how god created humans basically sculpted us, oppose to we evolved from single celled organisms, or fungus, or fish, then dwelling on land beccoming ape like things then modern humans, etc
I would not deny that it seems to work for you, Chi. I also once knew al old fellow (about 85 when he died, I think) that was never ever sick a single time during hte 35 years that I knew him. And was a hard worker (outdoors) too. His "secret?" He drank a full quart of moonshine (illegal) whiskey every night. But single cases involving just one or even several individuals is really no proof of exactly what it is that working.
I take the same position as very many scientists (I'm a biologist, remember?) in that I believe evolution was the tool he used to create us.We merely discovered his method as we went along in the same way we discovered many of the physical laws he put into place, how he designed the weather and many other things. After all, I believe that science is actually nothing more than a never-ending quest to discover his methods and tools. And I also carry that one step further - anything that science can disprove was NOT one of his methods or tools. Every single thing that he did follows a clear an logical path. There is no room for the illogical - such as "otherworldly" stuff.
you are the LAST person who could read my mind....so i better spell it out for your think-ya-clever-self
whati mean by Imagaination is ecstatic expression. NO no te drug Ecstasy, bu the original meaning of ecstasy. i believe that tat natrual freedom has been and cntinues to be suppressed by the state and reprssed by the individual who has accepted State indoctrination/propaganda....so much so, manypeople fear 'losing control' forfear of.......? you will know this probably te best Light considering your anus is so tightly closed it couldn't accept a nut to crack......
why isnt there any room for otherworldly stuff?,
as far as you or i know, there could be many gods who contribute to different aspects of the universe, and each god created a planet with life on it, and was a competition to see wich god could creae the best life, and most diverse, but a rule was, "you cant interfere directly with the life"
who knows, why are you so sure about the christian god, who said all the chinese gods are real, or all the indian gods, ? i wouldent place my money on any of the religious standpoints to be honest, there could be no god just yin and yang, who knows,
In the context of Eastern Philosophy, I think imagination is important than knowledge as imagination help us build knowledge through assimilating different aspects of a new topic converting it to knowledge. If our imagination can perceive the best option out of different choices, on the same topic that is when we gain knowledge through the process of iterating and deciding and learning the right choice happens.
In Sanskrit there is a word that explains this process of iteration and imagination of a topic to understand it more clearly and to create knowledge – ‘mananam’ (which stands closure to what is mentioned here are imagination).
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