Joe Fox #42 writes: All of us realize that ultimate truth is beyond our human capacity to understand completely."All of us" are not necessarily afflicted with so grovelling an intellect as to admit of any such lack of human capacity. It would benefit your case somewhat if you can offer an acceptable definition of "ultimate truth" that distinguishes it from all other truth. Then perhaps you'll give the reader a well-reasoned case for how incomplete human understanding is of "ultimate truth" Your wording suggests that humankind does understand some "ultimate truth" if not most of it. With polite forthrightness as my guide I advise that it is quite impolitic for anyone to presume to speak on behalf of all humankind in matters bordering between the metaphysical and religious faith. JF further writes: However, we can label this ultimate awareness and power as God because we know that the world and universe exist as a result of some kind of progressive, creative process. In this paragraph you equate "ultimate truth" with "ultimate awareness and power or God" and you aver this because you "know" the Universe was created. It would be most interesting to read the reasoning behind such presumption. "Ultimate truth" becomes or is synonymous with "ultimate awareness and power or God" simply because you know the Universe was created? Let us not forget that you aver also that "ultimate truth" is equated or synonymous with God as is "ultimate awareness and power". And all this because you know the Universe was created. I can't help feeling that you are presuming more than your erudition permits. May one enquire as to whether you are an OEC or a YEC?