I'm stupid trying to explain God rationally!!!

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  1. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    I discovered this two days ago. It's impossible to explain God rationally. Why? Because, theorically, God has no limits!!!! Since words limits ideas, God is unlimited and can't be explained with words, rationally.

    I will explain it further by giving you the idea of God.

    God is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.
    Ok. Now, try to limit God.
    You can't!!! He is actually everything!! If you think about,

    Omnipotence+Omnipresence+Omniscience=EVERYTHING!!

    So, how can we understand God?

    It's not hard if you can envision a hypothetical relationship between a god-like person and God. Here is what you get:


    The Ultimate Intimacy

    Omnipotence
    If God is omnipotence and you are too, the possibilities of interactions are limitless!!

    Omnipresence
    That's the strangest one for non-religious people. If both God and you are omnipresent, you are ONE! You both occupy the same space at the same "time". Here we have the hard issue of space-time relations again...

    Omniscience
    Hey! If both of you know what the other feel and think, you don't need to talk at all! You just know it! Again, problems with space-time relations and the "you are ONE with God" thing.

    To solve the puzzle of space-time, we can consider that God is beyond space-time.

    Work more with that later.

    Love,
    Nelson
     
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  3. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Consume a fifth of Finlandia and munch a few peyote mushrooms....

    Peace.
     
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  5. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    You're stoned, aren't you?
     
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  7. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    Snap!
     
  8. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Dude.
     
  9. bbcboy Recovering christian Registered Senior Member

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    I was gonna say that god musta been stoned when the earth was created. Then I thought, Nah, he'd never have gotten all that done in a week

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  10. esp Registered Senior Member

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    Correct

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  11. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    What's wrong with being stoned?
     
  12. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    I'm stupid trying to explain God rationally!!!

    Congratulations ! You've solved the "Catch 22" phenomena.

    Aside from the fact that this is the only claim you've made which can be backed up with mountains of evidence, it is still nontheless a claim that defies logic.

    I discovered this two days ago.

    We discovered your stupidity some time ago. Welcome to the club.

    It's impossible to explain God rationally.

    What you should be stating is that it's impossible to explain gods rationally or irrationally.

    Why? Because, theorically, God has no limits!!!!

    Yes, the last course of action of a desperate theist. You're obviously running out of ways to express your ignorance and are resorting to the last bastion left open for a struggling soothsayer, "God has no limits."

    Since words limits ideas, God is unlimited and can't be explained with words, rationally.

    That's where your wrong. Any idea can be explained with words. However, if the proponent of said idea does not know how to use words in the first place, yourself for example, they are already at a disadvantage before they even get started.

    God can easily be explained with any number of words. Horse hockey pucks comes to mind.

    God is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.
    Ok. Now, try to limit God.
    You can't!!! He is actually everything!!


    God is a muderer, a rapist, a terrorist, a child molestor, a suicide bomber?

    Omnipotence+Omnipresence+Omniscience=EVERYTHING!! So, how can we understand God?

    The same way we understand anything; with reasoning. So sorry you're not privy to that concept.

    It's not hard if you can envision a hypothetical relationship between a god-like person and God. Here is what you get:

    A god-like person? Are you now comparing one fairy tale to another?

    Omnipotence
    If God is omnipotence and you are too, the possibilities of interactions are limitless!!


    Huh?

    Omnipresence
    That's the strangest one for non-religious people. If both God and you are omnipresent, you are ONE! You both occupy the same space at the same "time". Here we have the hard issue of space-time relations again...


    I repeat: Huh? Are you sure the religious people are gonna get this?

    Omniscience
    Hey! If both of you know what the other feel and think, you don't need to talk at all! You just know it! Again, problems with space-time relations and the "you are ONE with God" thing.


    Three-peat: Huh?

    To solve the puzzle of space-time, we can consider that God is beyond space-time.

    With one statement, you've managed to address every single irrational foible one could muster, and still say nothing of value in the process.

    It must be time for your medication again.
     
  13. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    (Q),

    You are so ignorant and closed-minded that not even logic can get to you...

    I didn't discovered I'm stupid, I discovered that God can't be limited by words...

    It's possible to experience God... but not explain Him rationally...

    God is defined as having no limits in ALL Religions of the world. Coincidence? No...
    The term God was created to explain the Universe.
    You seem completly ignorant about religion... so why do you still discuss it...?

    No, it can't. Again, you know nothing about neither Religion nor philosophy... what the heck are you doing here...? :bugeye:
    Can you please discuss things you understand...?

    Don't you see that even Particle Phyisics had no words to describe itself!?!?!? We had to invent a whole new vocabulary to talk about Particle and Quantum Phyisics!!! There were no words to explain it until we made them up!! Of course it wasn't 100 words... but you know how difficult was for scientists to explain it long time ago, don't you...? I don't think so...

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    How wise you are...

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    Light is everywhere. Shadow is an illusion created by an object in front of the Light.

    Are you dumb or what? Do you think you can put an elephant in a bottle of water!?!?!?!?! :bugeye:

    First: hypothetical
    Second: Theological. In the Bible it's said that "He made us to be like Him."

    Sure... but I doubt a guy with a 2 kilometer ego with all this pride will ever get it...

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    It's incredible how well YOU do that in a bunch of dumb non-sense statements....

    Can you be more creative...? I'm almost sleeping here...

    Yeah, yeah... I know you can't understand anything...

    Swallow your pride before your pride swallow you!!!!!

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  14. goofyfish Analog By Birth, Digital By Design Valued Senior Member

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    Q: "God is a muderer, a rapist, a terrorist, a child molestor, a suicide bomber?"

    TruthSeeker: "Light is everywhere. Shadow is an illusion created by an object in front of the Light."

    Goofyfish: "Life is a twinkie."
     
  15. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    goofyfish,

    That's how you learn. With your difficulties and challenges. Without them, you would have never really learned something...

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    Learn with life...

    Love,
    Nelson
     
  16. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    truthseeker,

    Yes you are correct; if God exists then he is incomprehensible. The Catholic Almanac has already stated this.

    The agnostic position also claims that because God would be incomprehensible then there is nothing that can be meaningfully (rationally) said about him.

    If you need a label for your new realization then agnostic theist is the correct definition.

    Almost every theistic argument when taking to the limit comes to the point that it is not possible to comprehend why God would ever take a particular action.

    Theism is in actuality dishonest agnosticism.

    Welcome to the world of agnosticism.

    Cris
     
  17. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks Cris!

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    We should then try a more philosophic approach to God, like Taoism... Taoism do it pretty well...

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    Love,
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  18. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    A really big twinkie.
     
  19. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Well now I do say!

    Mind....meet gutter. Gutter, this is Xev's mind....

    Booh- yah! Cris is right, Nelson, you are agnostic.
     
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  21. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Take a nap, honey, and come back when you have things of substance to add.
     
  22. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    A really big twinkie.

    The agnostic position.

    There's something wrong with this thread...
     
  23. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Adam:

    No, just that our minds are in the gutter.

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