If we clone neanderthals, will they have legal rights?

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  1. mrow Unless Registered Senior Member

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    They had larger cranial capacities than us so that's quite possible.
     
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  3. LifeinTechnicolor Registered Senior Member

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    Well, knowing America today......we don't know alot of things knowing how we are wasting money on SOME things we dont even need
     
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  5. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    How do you know this? Are you saying a Neanderthal is incapable of understanding the concept, even after being educated? Or are they incapable of being educated in the first place? Furthermore, just because someone doesn't know what "legal rights" are, does that mean they are de facto not entitled to those rights? What do you think "Miranda" is all about?

    In fact, what the f**k are you trying to say here at all? Do you even know?
     
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  7. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    They wouldn't have ANY rights - if they're cloned they'd be the property of the corporation that "grew" them, in all likelihood.
    Up until the Neanderthal Liberation Front activists got to work.
     
  8. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Probably true.
     
  9. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Basically, we (none of us) really know. It would depend on how their observed behavior after we actually manage to "clone" them. If they turn out to have nearly the same "self awareness" and other concepts of Homo Sapiens, then they deserve equivalent "human rights". On the other hand, perhaps they will be more similar to other species of animals existing today, and would be deserving of the same sort of protection we afford those animals. Or somewhere in between. Now, we can always debate whether today's animals deserve more "rights", but that is a separate can of worms.

    Bottom line, I think we would have to wait and see. If they are human - human rights. If they are animals - animal rights. If they are something in between, well, we will have to make something up...

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  10. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, not to say that brain cavity volume has any direct link to intelligence, but they were pretty closely related to us, so I don't see why they shouldn't at least be as smart as a 12 year old (I just pulled that out of my ass

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  11. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    What a hoot. If nothing else, the whole thing would be quite a show, venturing into entirely new territory legally. Should be quite entertaining, when and if it comes to pass...

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  12. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    You pulled a 12 year old out of your ass????

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  13. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    LOL God forbid..

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    No I pulled that 'fact' out of my ass

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  14. mrow Unless Registered Senior Member

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    Lmao :bravo:

    Randwolf, you're fantastic!
     
  15. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Well, if those who cloned them dropped them off in North Korea, they wouldn't have any legal or human rights at all.

    And don't forget, over half of the existing human population on Earth right now don't even have basic human and legal rights. So ...would "we" give the cloned Neanders human and legal rights even though all those other humans still don't have the same rights?

    We must, absolutely MUST, use a little perspective when discussing this or any other such issue. The universal "we" or "they" is mostly meaningless in the context of international law and politics.

    Baron Max
     
  16. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    actually mrow i am pritty sure i read that they either are or should be a SUB species. Ie homo sapian neanderthal (which makes us homo sapian sapian, seriously wise man, what arrogance)
     
  17. mrow Unless Registered Senior Member

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    Which either way would still make them a different species.
     
  18. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    no actually it wouldnt thats the point. We would be a SUBSPIECIES.

    Put it this way, if species are cousins subspecies would be siblings.

    They are close enough to us that we could interbreed
     
  19. mrow Unless Registered Senior Member

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    Well chimps are close enough that we could interbreed as well, but the offspring wouldn't be viable. By subspecies then, do you mean a breed of sorts? Such as dalmations versus poodles?
     
  20. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    i honestly dont know if dogs are concidered subspecies or not. I would ASSUME they are because they are all closly enough in relation that they can interbreed and aparently so are we to Neanderthals. BTW i ment viable offspring, actually there is some suggestion that alot of us (if not all) carry ancestory to Neanderthals as well as moden man
     
  21. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    No, it wouldn't

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    IF Neanderthals would be classified as Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, while Humans are (and this is true btw) Homo sapiens sapiens, both would belong to the species Homo sapiens in the same way that Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis would belong to the same genus.
     
  22. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Well, here's the the deal. Neanderthals are a member of the genus Homo, right ?
    Now look up the definition of 'human'. Actually, don't. I already did that for you

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    See post 13.
     
  23. mrow Unless Registered Senior Member

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    Yes...and?
     

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