If I am immortal, then I will die sometime in the future

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Speakpigeon, Nov 9, 2019.

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In your personal opinion, do you feel that the implication is valid or invalid?

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  1. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    In your personal opinion, do you feel that the following implication is valid or invalid?

    And either way, can you try and explain why?

    If I am immortal, then I will die sometime in the future

    Thank you to vote before posting any comment.
    EB
     
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  3. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    You spelt immoral wrong.
    Alex
     
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  5. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    So basically your proposition is that if you are immortal then you are mortal. Sounds great.
    That makes about as much sense as your other threads.
     
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  7. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    "Immortal" is a symbol that has been set to mean the opposite of that. Its definition(s) are not an arbitrary, contingent empirical event but a pre-established, stable item in a devised language system.

    Component-wise, the word unit "im" signifies not and the word unit "mortal" signifies subject to death.

    In real-world and figurative context, "immortal" can also designate a person of enduring fame (which thereby is potentially subject to death).

    This illuminates the deficiencies of everyday language, in which a symbol can have multiple meanings dependent upon context of usage. In contrast to the nomenclatures of some disciplines, where a sign may be assigned a single, specialized definition to avoid the interpretative problem.
     
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  8. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    My advice is keep it simple. When we discuss the validity of logical arguments, we assume the proximate definitions of the words used in the argument. As simple as that. There is nothing else to it. Doing any different leads to equivocation and a waste of everybody's time.
    EB
     
  9. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    If immortal means living to the end of time then obviously when time ends an immortal dies...

    So the question really is about whether or not Time will end...
     
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  10. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    What do you mean by the key word:
    Are you arguing only the validity of a logical argument or are you arguing the implications as being valid ( sound)?
     
  11. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    lol
     
  12. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Not necessarily. "Immortal" doesn't mean living till the end of time and then dying; it means living forever, or incapable of dying. So, if "forever" means "to the end of time", it still doesn't necessitate an immortal dying, but either ending (whatever that means) his existence along with time's, or else existing on beyond time, as an omni-everything god is supposed to do.

    I thought the question was whether a word implies the opposite of its meaning.
     
  13. river

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    Jeeves to your first statement . Exactly ; Immortal has outside of time .
     
  14. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    If the meanings of words are irrelevant, then simply use placeholder symbols. Since you're an obscurantist in terms of people fathoming what the hell of you're asking of them to begin with[*], then don't waste everybody's time with the possibility of the content of the form mattering in that course their trying decipher your Martian psychology and aims.

    - - - footnote - - -

    [*] Assuming literally everything you request isn't arbitrary, inconsistent, or outright double talk.
     
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  15. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    In that case, the solution to the question of whether the argument "if I am immortal, then I am mortal" is valid or not would seem obvious, would it not?

    Next time you post one of these, please start with your own thoughts on the question you are raising. This waiting so you can jump out of the bushes and shout "gotcha!" is getting rather repetitive and tiresome.
     
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  16. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    This is why you don't see a lot of signs saying "Philosopher needed - apply within".
     
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  17. foghorn Registered Member

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    Arrr... Is Speakpigeon a ''Philosopher'' or is he not a ''Philosopher''?

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  18. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe it's more a case of:
    If Speakpigeon is a Philosopher, then he is not a Philosopher... and whether, in your personal opinion, you think this statement is valid or invalid?
     
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  19. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Immortal doesn't necessarily mean transcendent to the physical universe, which is probably of limited time span. So to say one is immortal only means they will live as long as the universe itself.
     
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  20. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    exactly .. so the argument is not only valid it is sound too...
     
  21. foghorn Registered Member

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    Does this mean from now on anyone using the word ''immortal'' must stipulate they only mean until the end of the universe?
     
  22. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    Will be a bit of a bugger for those who believe in the immortal soul, I guess.
     
  23. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    It just goes to show that "immortal" is not a very useful word - like "omnipotent", it doesn't relate well to reality.
     
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