If everybody is right, what is wrong?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by bconn29, Oct 25, 2005.

  1. bconn29 da thread killa Registered Senior Member

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    It seems to me that everybody believes that their position is right. If this is the case is there any such thing as wrong? After reading almost all of the posts in here it seems everybody is right. This is a symptom of the entire world. The terrorists are right in the actions they take, conversely the Americans are right in the actions they take. The Jews are right, the Christians are right, the Muslims are right. The Chinese are right, the N. Koreans are right, the UK is right. The cops are right, the criminals are right, and so on. Maybe it is just my limited mental capacity to grasp reality but it seems to me that is everybody is right nothing is wrong.
     
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  3. Cyperium I'm always me Valued Senior Member

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    It's different laws, no one has got the whole truth yet.
     
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  5. c20H25N3o Shiny Heart of a Shiny Child Registered Senior Member

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    People just like to assert their personal position or take on things. Each is able to justify that position and enjoys doing so. Occasionally people post stuff with views that differ from mine but understanding their perspective prevents me from reacting strongly when I encounter similiar views that differ from mine.
    Understanding eachothers positions cannot be wrong in itself and each has a conscious to steer their individual ships. The trick is to not steer into someone elses, but to master that, you have to know their position.

    peace

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  7. bconn29 da thread killa Registered Senior Member

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    That is my point, everyone feels justified that they are right. If this is the case than is anything wrong?
     
  8. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Right and wrong are subjective.
     
  9. bconn29 da thread killa Registered Senior Member

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    I agree, but what can be done about it? I suppose based on history we'll just continue to blabber until something comes to a head and someone has to start fighting. Is there any chance of reconcilliation or moderation then?
     
  10. c20H25N3o Shiny Heart of a Shiny Child Registered Senior Member

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    Are you personally willling to take an active part in that process?

    peace

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  11. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    There is certainly a small chance for diplomacy and understanding among cultures. Even your view that fighting is something to be avoided is a cultural value. Most likely humans will kill themselves off completely unless we can leave each other alone. I guess that means that the only cultures that will survive will either be ones that value tolerance, or the one that values complete domination.
     
  12. bconn29 da thread killa Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah I suppose there is not much room for middle ground. I would like to see tolerance but most likely it will be domination. It is unfortunate that we are seemingly doomed to repeat our mistakes ad infinitum. It's exhausting.

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    What do you mean by your post?
     
  13. Onefinity Registered Senior Member

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    Sort of. All (together) are mostly right in perception; each individually is only partly right in perception. Wrong is mistaking your partial right for the whole right, which no one can monopolize.
     
  14. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    Re: If everybody is right, what is wrong?
    Nothing. "Right" and "wrong" are subjective. They depend on different values. Different values result from different adaptations to the environment. Environment varies from country to country, from city to city, from individual to individual.
     
  15. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    What is this garbage? "Right and wrong" are subjective? What are you speaking of? I STRONGLY hope you mean -just- morally. Morality may have no objective foundation, but truth? Truth is singular and objective. For two reasons:

    1. The statement "there is no truth" is logically incoherent. If there are no truths the statement "there is no truth" invalidates itself, as it presumes truth.

    2. 1 + 1 = 2 (in the normal meaning of the terms). Litterally trillions of other truthful statements such as this exist.
     
  16. Onefinity Registered Senior Member

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    I wouldn't confound mathematical validity and consistency with "truth," which is a concept better applied to the human pursuit of knowledge in the confusion of human affairs.
     
  17. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    My programmer buddy always laughs when I pull that one out

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  18. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    Onefinity:

    Truths found in systems are generally easier to present than the first principles or some other vaguely esoteric principle.
     
  19. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    whitewolf:


    Yes, because there would be some programming language where 1 + 1 = something else, right?
     
  20. bconn29 da thread killa Registered Senior Member

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    That is my point, since it is so subjective is there any way to reconcile these concepts. With everyone able to justify their "rightness", can a common ground ever be reached? Based on this discussion so far, wrong as a concept is null.
     
  21. c20H25N3o Shiny Heart of a Shiny Child Registered Senior Member

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    Well if you have two opposing sides regarding right and wrong and you yourself wish that both parties would be reconcilled independantly of their viewpoints, then you yourself must begin the process of mediation.

    For example -

    Person (A) hates Christianity. They hate it for valid reasons i.e. Politicians use Christianity to pass the laws that suit their political agenda. Religious dogma appears to corrupt free will.

    Person (B) is a Christian. They love Christianity for valid reasons. They have experienced the power of Jesus' message in their lives personally and have dedicated themselves to upholding that message.

    Invariably there can be no reconcilliation of Person (A) and Person (B) and one might come to the conclusion that there is no right and wrong about it.

    If one is willing to be a peacemaker however, then reconcilliation is entirely possible through negotiation.

    The question I was asking is 'Here we have two opposing viewpoints that on their own will never be reconcilled. Are you willing to be a peacemaker of 'people' independant of their opposing ideas? Do you have enough faith in shared human ideals to create the bonds of reconcilliation even though you personally will profit nothing? Would you personally attempt to reconcile persons (A) and (B) in this scenario or not?

    peace

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  22. bconn29 da thread killa Registered Senior Member

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    If it is within my power to do so I would. I am just a guy with nothing, I guess the best I can do is try to help them reconcile their differences. I can only reconcile my differences with myself and others and between the people I have close contact with.
     
  23. Roman Banned Banned

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    I think everyone's wrong. No one's right. Not even this. Contradictory, yeah? But it doesn't matter since everything's invariably wrong anyway.
     

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