If ET is quietly visiting Earth, what would the social indicators for this be?

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by ted_roe, Sep 27, 2002.

  1. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    John leaps:

    At first you might think that is an ordinary, run-of-the-mill UFO website, but it contains this quote from Anna McGowan of NASA

    It is a UFO website, 'nuff said. You may read full interviews with Anna McGowan here:

    http://www.nasatech.com/NEWS/June01/whoswho_june01.html

    http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast01mar_1.htm

    http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2002/16sep_rightstuff.htm

    This is proof that the government does have recovered material from a crashed spaceship and that they back engineer it.

    So, according to you, there are no other possibilities. In your opinion, this is hard evidence of alien artifact. And the possibility that the Langley Research Center perhaps creates these materials and then analyzes (dissects that material) them never crossed your mind ?

    That is certainly a leap, sir lemming.
     
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  3. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    There is no correlation between technological advancement and social awareness. There are numerous examples of societies that have made rapid, impressive technological advances while 'backsliding' socially and morally. Obvious examples include Germany during the Nazi era, Rome just before it collapsed, and China around a thousand years ago. Indeed, a great many major scientific and technological advances have come about as a direct or indirect result of military-related research.

    On the other hand, there are examples of 'primitive' societies on various Pacific islands that exist in near-perfect harmony with very low levels of technology.
     
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  5. Thor "Pfft, Rebel scum!" Valued Senior Member

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    Can I just say quickly

    It was really a 'like what we like or we'll shoot you' attitude of the government, so they really had no choice. Plus think of all that propaganda thrown at them.

    You do need more proof than a website. For all you know, half of it could be from the top of the creators head.

    If you could do, can you find some more sources that back it up?
     
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  7. John MacNeil Registered Senior Member

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    I'll have a look around, Thor, but I got that site off the Princeton University physics Intranet, so I expect it has some validity.

    Q, if they already created the material, they would know exactly how they created it, or they couldn't have created it. Since they need to dissect it because they don't understand it, indicates that it came from some other source.
     
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  8. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    John:

    You should take the time to read the links I posted, if not for the sake of this discussion, at least for the sake of your own edification.


    NTB: How many different types of smart materials are you working with?

    McGowan: There are actually far too many to name because there are so many different variations. Nickel titanium is a very common shape-memory alloy, but you can add different elements to change different aspects of each alloy. We've mixed and created a lot of different materials, although we tend to stay with the ones we know work very well. Langley is, for all of NASA, the Center of Excellence for structures and materials, so we can create new materials here, modify existing materials, and build and test a lot of different and eccentric structures in a lot of different ways.

    Nanotubes were only discovered in 1991, but already the intense interest in the scientific community has advanced our ability to create and use nanotubes tremendously. Only 2 to 3 years ago, the longest nanotubes that had been made were about 1000 nanometers long (1 micron). Today, scientists are able to grow tubes as long as 200 million nanometers (20 cm). Bushnell notes that there are at least 56 labs around the world working to mass produce these tiny tubes.

    Scientists have made molecular wires of other elongated molecules, some of which even naturally self-assemble into useful configurations.

    Most advanced materials lack the engineering refinement needed for a polished, robust product.
     
  9. John MacNeil Registered Senior Member

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    I did read, and understand, the links you posted, Q. The telling phrase is, --"What we did at NASA-Langley was basically dissect that material to answer the question, 'how does it do that?'"--Anna McGowan, NASA

    If they had built the material in the first place, they would not have to dissect it to understand it because they would already know precisely how it was constructed and would be able to deduce understanding from how it was tested.

    Testing...is not dissecting for understanding.

    Their labs make a lot of their own materials, but they always know exactly what they are constructed of and how they are connstructed because they build them theirselves. When they mix chemicals they know exactly how much of each they mix into any given compound. Each product is observed and measured precisely at every stage of it's development.

    The days of dumping bags of ingredients into large cauldrons over an open fire and stirring them with a large stick are long gone, buddy.
     
  10. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    John

    I did read, and understand, the links you posted, Q. The telling phrase is, --"What we did at NASA-Langley was basically dissect that material to answer the question, 'how does it do that?'"--Anna McGowan, NASA

    So, based on her statement, you believe Anna McGowan, Project Manager, has admitted to the world that alien artifacts not only exist, but that NASA-Langley has "dissected" these artifacts, and from them, is creating "Smart" materials.

    Tell me then, why has the world not suddenly gone into a state of chaos ? Why is the Vatican still standing ? Why aren't scientists from around the world beating a path to NASA-Langley's door demanding to see for themselves and participate in this global event ? Why aren't the peer review journals flooded with papers on these alien artifacts ?

    Why, John, have we heard nothing ? (aside from the usual gang of cranks, kooks and loons)
     
  11. John MacNeil Registered Senior Member

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    I've stated before that the government is "gradually" conditioning the public about what they've been keeping secret. They wouldn't want to release everything all at once and tell the citizenry that they've been lying through their teeth for the last half a century. If they filter the information out, they believe they will still be credible when everyone finally realizes what is going on and there won't be a hue and cry because it will just come to be accepted knowledge, which it is already, for the most part. The corporate/governments are so paranoid and distrustful of themselves, their allies, and especially of their own citizenry, that they are always way behind the social conscience of the general population.

    As for the Vatican, they've been undertaking their own program of gradual openness as regards Alien visitation, as this site describing Father Balducci's interview on Italian national television, RAI-TV, proves;

    http://members.aol.com/nonstopny/easter/vatican.htm
     
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  12. Eman Resu Registered Senior Member

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    Someone once told me that "they" believed that the "arrival" of the transistor was an indicator of such technological transfer between extraterrestrials and humans. It was somewhere in the 1950's or so .... Something to think about I guess.

    If "they" wanted you to know "they" would let you know. Period. Some of the best spies and super-secret agents will never be known. The screw-ups make it to the public's eye but those that did their job properly do not ...
     
  13. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    John

    From the link you provided:

    Father Conrad Balducci sez:

    There is the animal realm, the vegetable realm, the human realm, and the angelic realm; these are the four realms we already know about. Three are natural and we see them. Between the man, the human being, and the angel, eh... there's a jump and it's a jump that's a little too large to make.

    Christ always remains the center of the Universe...

    But then consider an angel. _An angel is ALL spirit -- the similarity between mankind and angels is that part which is the SOUL, the spirit.

    These things give us a great deal to think about. _Is it true, it is false, is it ... it is true, it is not true, _is this believable or should we say this is incredible -- no! :bugeye:_

    By now, at this point, there are several considerations made with CERTAINTY THAT these BEINGS DO EXIST. _IT CANNOT BE DOUBTED.


    Oh yeah, this guy has credibility.

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  14. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Hey, where did Ted Roe disappear ?

    Perhaps my exposure of his so-called "aviation safety" website as another UFOlogy conspiracy site sent him packing.

    Ted ?
     
  15. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    Even more likely, ted_roe's been abducted.
     
  17. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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  19. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    I wonder if this:

    Scotland also records the highest number of UFO sightings per head of population.

    ...has anything to do with this:

    Billy Buchanan, a Bonnybridge councillor, has called for a UFO visitor centre to be built in the village to cash in on the phenomenon.

    Could be.

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