If Election result 2016 declared illegal, what then?

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  1. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    Except in some countries, or in some people's minds.

    The rest is pretty easy from the rule of law: If Trump is impeached and convicted, barred from office, Mike Pence will take over.

    If the leftists who want to destroy the country choose to impede the Constitutional succession of power in that case, we might have some problems. To put it mildly.
     
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  3. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    It seems that loonies that want Trump out want Pence in.
    Do these crazies want the Koch brothers running the country?

    Fuzzy headed liberals can't think 2 moves ahead?
    Some days, I get the feeling that they are the oft mentioned "knee jerk liberals".
     
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  5. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    You might be closer to the mark with just "jerk liberals".

    I was a yellow-dog Democrat until the left started this nonsensical series of attacks on everyone who doesn't like a rainbow flag, or makes the soul-damning mistake of calling a hairy 300-pound dude with biker tattoos a "woman" if it so chooses.

    I won't vote for the Democrat party until someone kicks their collective (ist) heads out of the wonderful and warm place that they have it. Smelly, but it a "safe space", right?
     
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  7. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    why not? While I'm wary of the ugly precedent it would make and given the criminality of the republican party dangerous but if it was shown that trump was elected through illegal means why cant't you declare the election illegitimate? I would argue it would be more dangerous not to. We have to put a hard stop to the idea we feel it acceptable and legal to manipulate our elections, to not do so is basically inviting more people to try and more blatantly. Are you ok with rewarding criminality?
     
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  8. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    God almighty. No wonder I have you on ignore...
     
  9. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    please show where any part of US law states that if an election is shown to be fraudelent that we have to accept it
     
  10. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    if trump goes down so does pence. there is no way he doesn't. leftists don't want to destroy this country, that would be proto fascist like your self, sorry i mean republicans. don't pretend you give 2 fucks about the constitution you and yours have been trying to destroy it since reasgan.
     
  11. Capracus Valued Senior Member

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    I agree, you adhere to the line of succession and deal with assholes as they are seated.
     
  12. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    because your a man child you cant handle anyone disagreeing with you. we all know this.
     
  13. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    so your a dixiecrat?
     
  14. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    no we don't want the kochs to run the country that be you
     
  15. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    You don't know a damned thing. English, punctuation, reasoning ability.. Probably many more things, but the most important is that you are fucking stupid, and will never know it. Revel in your imagined superiority.
     
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  16. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    This is what I am trying to get a sense of: without a precedent, what are the arguments to be made for or against declaring an election illegitimate? The link in Capracus's post (#15, I think) touch upon this, but not in great detail.
     
  17. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    I think the only thing that can make an election held two years ago illegal is corruption. Not by the idiots Trump uses to make himself feel smarter, but by the rabid fools on the left.

    The "election cycle" is as damned idiotic as the "news cycle". Instead of pushing and shoving and materially stopping the government from what it does badly, too many people can't remember anything from more than twelve years ago.

    Maybe that's because of America's wonderful educational system, maybe it's because of Monsanto, maybe Justin Trudeau has been exporting soy milk to California and New York, but it's fucking ridiculous to read things from historical illiterates and take the"one true voice" as stone-carved fact.

    Read, people. Read something other than exceprts from Fox or CNN, and above all, learn to think.

    I know it's too late for some folks that might read this post, but screw 'em anyway.
     
  18. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Yet.. the office of POTUS is established constitutionally is it not?
    The president only has power because it is constitutional for him to have such.
    No constitutional founding/protection = no POTUS
    If the POTUS was found to be unconstitutionally elected then he is not a POTUS and would have no legal power to be so.

    and what is it that established whether legal or not ( if not the constitution)?
    The U.S. Constitution is the nation's fundamental law. It codifies the core values of the people. Courts have the responsibility to interpret the Constitution's meaning, as well as the meaning of any laws passed by Congress. The Federalist # 78 states further that, if any law passed by Congress conflicts with the Constitution, "the Constitution ought to be preferred to the statute, the intention of the people to the intention of their agents."
    src: http://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/overview-rule-law

    So it follows that any breach of the law is unconstitutional, whether that be illegal parking of a vehicle, or fraudulent elections. Yes?
     
  19. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    As far as I know ( which is really very little) there is no precedent thus a constitutional crisis would be the outcome if the election was found to be unconstitutional. (illegitimate)
     
  20. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently you don't.

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  21. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    No.
     
  22. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Here in Australia we have recently gone through a situation where by many ministers of government were forced to resign due to being in breach of our constitution regarding duel citizenship. The (Federal) High Court determined that they were ineligible to hold any position in Government. Thus their elections were deemed illegal, thus invalid and void. New elections were called and subsequently carried out.
    The infamous Peter Dutton (PM wanna be) is currently also potentially in breach of our constitutionally derived conflict of interest laws and may yet be forced to resign.
     
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  23. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    You'll notice that I don't make assumptions about Australian politics based on U.S. politics.
     

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