Idiocy, Compulsion, Gratitude, Nobility or Deception?

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by KUMAR5, Dec 25, 2017.

  1. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    But unnatural is real and existing term. Whatever which is not in its natural form i. e as it exist in nature is unnatural. May it be extracted or mixed fruit juice.
     
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  3. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    But this is a mutualistic relationship.
     
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  5. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    So is farming.
     
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  7. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Humans are in our "natural" form. We are as nature "created" us. We can only do what nature allows us to do.
     
  8. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    What's wrong with being unnatural?
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    It is not a scientifically-defined term. It is ambiguous - as we are seeing right here in this thread.
    Thus, it is useless as a measure of anything.

    You'll have to define what you mean by unnatural. Sometimes the definition is simply 'anything that is man-made', but that too is arbitrary.
     
  10. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    Farming for killing should not be mutualistic relationship. Both group should benefit in it.
     
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    We're going to eat them.

    The Kzinti are a cat-like race that eat humans. If you were a human on their planet, what benefit would you ask from the Kzinti that would make you feel you were in a mutual relationship with them?

    What benefit could a sentient pig possibly ask of the pig-eating human that would make the pig feel it is in a mutually beneficial relationship?
     
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  12. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    It is not necessary that children always behave according to their parents who created them. We are also influenced by social environment.
     
  13. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    Like human vs Robot.
     
  14. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    Natural
    "existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind."
    What is wrong in above dict. definition?
     
  15. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    These are abnormal or exceptional examples. I quote snip from your last post:
    " Sometimesthe definition is simply 'anything thatis man-made', but that too isarbitrary."
     
  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Because it doesn't help your case.
    The definition uses 'human' as its criterion, so it's useless for you arguing how humans should change.

    Your argument degenerates to simply: Humans should behave less human-like and should be more animal-like.
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The pig example is not exceptional.

    You argue that the pig should have a beneficial relationship with the farmer.
    But the farmer is going to slaughter and eat the pig.
    How could that possibly ever be a beneficial relationship for the pig?
     
  18. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, behaving unnaturally should only be the property of humans. We just need to check, if it is created by nature or not.
     
  19. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    Yes this or any other farming is not a mutualistic relationship. It is just one sided or parasitic relationship. Human's claim that they also provide benefits i. E breed, buy, nurse, protect those beings meant to kill can not be justified
     
  20. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    What?
     
  21. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    No we don't.
     
  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    OK. Going back to your earlier statement for moment:
    How does a pig benefit from being farmed?
    Why would a farmer keep a pig that he's not going to eat?
     
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  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So, humans should do nothing that is not natural?
     

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