Identity loss and suicide rates in Maoris

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  1. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Oh yay.
    The Cheer leader is here again.

    Of course, there's only one flaw in yours and S.A.M's logic - it would require me to identify myself as Maori, something which I haven't generally done BECAUSE I DO NOT IDENTIFY ANY MORE STRONGLY WITH MY MAORI HERITAGE THEN I DO ANY OTHER ASPECT OF IT.

    Jesus H.

    Should I spell it out in Hindi or Sanskrit?

    Would that help at all?
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So how many Indians ate their children?
     
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  5. Gustav Banned Banned

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    sam please incorporate, "misrepresentation, disingenuous, distort, troll, deliberate" etc into your dialog. it has a particular resonance in sci and i believe it would serve you well

    /snicker
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I want to see the source of that claim.

    How much you wanna bet its British?
     
  8. Bells Staff Member

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    Most pure blooded Maori's identify themselves as "Kiwi".

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    It is apartheid for you, an outsider, to demand that he accepts one part of his heritage more than the other...

    I really do find it amazing that you, a complete outsider who has never set foot in the country, probably does not even know how to say 'hello' in Maori, can have the nerve to declare him to not be a Maori by your standards. Your standards mean nothing because you are not a Maori yourself. You know nothing of their culture or what it takes to be a Maori. You have this assumption that to be a Maori, one must speak the language and dress as a Maori.

    He doesn't need to identify as a Maori, because he is part Maori. It is a part of him and his culture and family history and language. Most importantly, why should he identify as a Maori to an Indian woman so that she can pass judgement on whether he is Maori enough?
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    He doesn't need to identify as anything. Its his decision to pop into the discussion as a Maori, he could have done it as an European. He is as plausible as Buffalo Roam the part native American.

    I am free to view his claims with skepticism. There are uncle Toms in every society
     
  10. Gustav Banned Banned

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    seriously
    talk to riple
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Is that riple of death? I'm not certain he's all there/

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  12. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    And now you're just talking shit.
    I didn't pop into this conversation as a maori.
    That's your ASSUMPTION that I was speaking as a maori.
    Nothing more.

    Unless you think the phrase "I'm neither a suicisal urban maori, nor a psychologist" somehow means "I'm a maori and I know what I'm talking about".

    And because when I say "I don't identify with the maori portion of my ancestry any stronger than my european side" Obviously that means "Look at me, I'm maori, listen to me i'm right".

    Now, can we get back to the real world, please?
     
  13. Gustav Banned Banned

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    wtf?
    a plain and simple "assumption"?
    come now trippy the troll
    ratchet up the vitriol
    the hysterics!
     
  14. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    When you have something other than trolling to add, PM me, and we'll see about having a conversation.
     
  15. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Wow! Uncle Tom? Tell us Sam exactly what is an uncle tom? That is probably one of the most arrogant, condescending and rude statements you have posted in a long time and he should take it as an insult. But yeah Q gets banned for calling you a bitch. Well as you would say if the shoe fits. There are bitches in every society

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  16. Bells Staff Member

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    It is not for you to say how Maori he is.

    You know fuck all about Maori's, their culture, how they live.. nothing. Yet you seem to be deeming yourself as some sort of expert and judging others on how Maori they are.

    He is a Maori. How he identifies himself is really beside the point. He is a Maori. It is in his blood. He doesn't have to speak the language or dress like a traditional Maori or wear special tribal dress to be a Maori. He is a Maori. That is what you cannot seem to grasp.


    No actually, you're not. It is really none of your business. No one made you a judge of other people's ethnicity. I mean seriously, who the fuck do you think you are?

    And there are racists in every society and you are proving yourself to be one.
     
  17. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Mod Note:
    Thread locked pending me doing... something.
    Gustav has received a warning for trolling.
    There may be other warnings.
     
  18. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Admin note: SAM and Gustav have been banned for 3 days for insulting another member of sciforums.

    There was absolutely no call for the descent to racist accusations against Trippy, or questioning his ancestry or self-identification. That kind of thing amounts to flaming, trolling and a personal insult.
     
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