# Ideals question

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by arfa brane, May 7, 2012.

1. ### arfa branecall me arfValued Senior Member

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This is another past exam question.

Define $(I:J)\; =\; \{ r \in R\; |\; rJ \subseteq I \}\; =\; \{ r \in R\; |\; \forall j \in J \;:\; rj \in I\}$.

For I,J,K ideals of R, where R is a commutative ring, prove that:

(a) (I:J) is an ideal of R
(b) I∩J is an ideal of R
(c) (I: (J+K)) = (I:J)∩(I:K)

Well, you have to figure out what the elements of I, J, and K look like; say r[sub]1[/sub] ∈ R -> r[sub]1[/sub]j ∈ I, when j ∈ J. Then show that r[sub]1[/sub]j - r[sub]2[/sub]j, say, is in (I:J), and that r[sub]1[/sub]j r[sub]2[/sub]j is in (I:J). That's for the (a) question.

Have I got the idea here, or what?

3. ### arfa branecall me arfValued Senior Member

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The definition says that for elements r[sub]1[/sub], r[sub]2[/sub] ∈ R, j ∈ J, r[sub]1[/sub] and r[sub]2[/sub] are in (I:J) when r[sub]1[/sub]j, r[sub]2[/sub]j ∈ I, right?

So I need to show that r[sub]1[/sub] - r[sub]2[/sub] is also in (I:J) when (r[sub]1[/sub] - r[sub]2[/sub])j ∈ I, and that (r[sub]1[/sub]r[sub]2[/sub])j ∈ I, so r[sub]1[/sub]r[sub]2[/sub] is in (I:J)?

5. ### arfa branecall me arfValued Senior Member

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If (I:J) is an ideal of R, R/A (where A = (I:J)) is the ring of cosets {r + A | r ∈ R} such that for s,t ∈ R, (s + A)(t + A) = st + A = 0 + A when s ∈ A or t ∈ A, i.e. when s = aj or t = aj for some a in R and j in J.

I still can't see how any of that helps to prove A = (I:J) is an ideal. Do I try to prove that R/A is a coset ring and so A is an ideal (if multiplication is 'well defined')? Just a hint might be all I need.

7. ### arfa branecall me arfValued Senior Member

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Damn, I nearly got it.

The answer for part (a) is as follows:

Let a,b ∈ (I:J) such that aj, bj ∈ I, ∀j ∈ J.
So aj - bj = (a-b)j ∈ I, and hence a - b ∈ (I:J) ........(1)

Let r ∈ R, such that (ra)j ∈ I, ∀j ∈ J.
So r(aj) ∈ I since aj ∈ I (and because I is an ideal of R).

So that ra ∈ (I:J) ...............................................(2)

Therefore, by (1) and (2), (I:J) is an ideal of R.