i want to become a SIS/MI6 agent.

redarmy11 · May 23, 2007

Once inside, it's then move... and fire! Move... and fire! Try to get a clean headshot if you can but, if that isn't possible, you really want to be putting as many rounds into them as you can so that, when they go down, they stay down.

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phonetic · May 23, 2007

Whilst you're down, behind a desk or something, pop your head up and fire some slugs into the petrol tank of your motor.

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redarmy11 · May 23, 2007

Here's some more info which will help you. This is a dynamic movement technique which we like to call slicing the pie - or 'pieing' for short. This is basic stuff. You should already know this, as it can mean the difference between a successful outcome and ignominious demise in the kind of tactical assault scenario that you're about to undertake. Pay close attention (I take your brain to another dimension):

http://www.officer.com/article/article.jsp?id=32250&siteSection=21

Slicing the pie, or "pie-ing," is a method of looking around corners and obstacles while presenting the smallest possible target. It is a dynamic movement technique designed to minimize exposure around cover and maximize the tactical advantage for the officer.

Nearly anyone who has completed "Police School 101" has some familiarity with pie slicing. It is named after the shape of the officer's reward for tactical movement. As the officer moves tactically, he receives a bigger slice of the pie.

Slicing is a fluid dynamic method. As the unpredictable elements change, the officer's responses change. For example, a door can be attached by several different configurations causing it to open at least five different ways: toward the officer, away from the officer, toward the officer in the same room, away from the officer in the same room and sliding. The way a door opens and whether it is open will cause the officer to respond in a distinct manner.

It takes at least two officers to slice a stairway, regardless of the architecture. If the stairway takes a turn, one officer will have to negotiate it backwards, eyes on the landing. Even when ascending a simple stairway, one officer must slice the entrance to the stairway, the other the landing.

Making the tactical decision
All tactical decision making is time sensitive. A high-risk situation is governed by responses to actions that each adversary makes. If the suspect does something, the officer makes a decision based on this action and surrounding factors. The quicker the decision response cycle, the quicker the reaction time.

This concept is not new. It is attributed to Air Force Col. John Boyd. An outspoken military pilot, Boyd observed that tactical decision making had a cycle of processes. The process of observe, orient, decide and act occur in a cycle - the OODA Loop. The adversary who completes the OODA Loop the quickest will win.

In the 1950s, Boyd bet other pilots that he could put his jet on their tail within 40 seconds or pay them $40. Legend has it that he never lost his $40. Boyd's instinctive concepts of combat were the foundation for combat decision-making processes employed by almost every great leader.

One of the tenets of the OODA Loop is exploiting surprise. The winning officer will increase the duration of the orient phase of the suspect's OODA Loop when slicing the pie. The idea is to cause the suspect to delay his perception and misread the environment. If the suspect's information is incomplete, decision making is delayed. The longer the delay, the greater the officer safety.

While introducing confusion in the suspect's OODA Loop, the officer shortcuts his own loop the same way a race car driver apexes a corner for more speed. The officer has a series of templates for each scenario. If the template works, he can quickly apply them, decreasing his response time. The templates come from training. For pie slicing, every search an officer performs reshapes the library of templates.

As officers begin obtaining better templates, they realize the concepts of pie slicing also can be used in situations like vehicle stops.

Preparing to train
For this article several scenarios were experimented with where officers searched inside a building. The purpose was to clearly illustrate using geometry as a tactical advantage. The Airsoft pistol from 21st Century Airsoft and a Raidhouse were two training aids used that significantly improved data collection on slicing the pie.

The Airsoft pistol is a tool that adds realism to training, incorporating the same operating system, trigger action, dimensions, disassembly and "feel" of a Glock 22. Additionally, it fit the same holsters and equipment one would use on patrol. Using full face protection and appropriate clothing, the Airsoft pistol allowed officers to run scenarios that included realistic force decisions.

The Raidhouse, a portable tactical training system, consists of a steel-framed enclosure with coated vinyl walls. Quickly erected, users attach removable walls on the net ceiling. This allows for an infinite variety of configurations, including hallways, doorways and rooms. The interior can be reconfigured in seconds, making the next scenario distinct from the previous one.

Using the training tools and collecting data from experienced officers, the Law Enforcement Technology Test Team was able to compile a list of recommendations for training in pie slicing.

If moving sideways is working, avoid the temptation to move forward
One of the biggest mistakes an officer will make is moving forward too quickly while he can still be moving laterally. In training, the easiest way to recognize this error is to watch officers shuffle right to a doorway, slice the interior, then move forward to the point where there muzzle is beyond the barricade. Even experienced officers occasionally let their muzzle go beyond a wall, then realize that anyone on the other side of the wall could grab it.

Using the Raidhouse, several search scenarios where the primary officer hugged the wall on the same side as a doorway were utilized. It was found that the suspect was able to grab the weapon almost every time. Even in training, this forced the hand of the officer. When this scenario was run with a carbine, the suspect was able to grab the rifle with both hands every time. This also forced the officer to resort to the handgun. Obviously, leading with the weapon demonstrates a serious training deficiency.

On a hallway with doors on both sides, the two-man officer team will generally move in a staggered formation to the first doorway. The lead officer will move in a question mark shaped pattern with the opening of the hook facing the doorway. When the lead officer has sufficiently sliced the doorway, the two officers will switch positions. There is no hard and fast rule in this situation - a collection of officer safety habits will work. A little bit of experimenting will show any officer the fact that backing off from a doorway allows a better field of view while slicing.

In an ideal world, officers will have their backs against the opposite wall of a hallway when slicing a doorway. In the Raidhouse, the closer an officer stayed to a doorway opening, the more likely the gun was grabbed. As officers sliced from the opposite wall, the reactionary advantage was maximized.

There has to be a fluid switch from contact to cover between two officers. In a hallway with several doorways, one officer has to look down the hall while the other slices an open doorway. This action immediately implies that they will have to leapfrog to the next doorway. However, if one of them has a long gun, the officer who can holster his weapon becomes the handcuffing officer by default.

The recommended way to train for fluid role switching is for training managers to have squads train together.

No safe assumptions
Assume the worst case scenario - the suspect can see you. Do not assume the suspect will stay put when discovered. Do not assume the suspect will stay put at all.

The number of scenario possibilities is countless. However, the earlier the officer can identify a threat by correctly slicing, the more complete and effective his action. If the suspect rushes the officer, slicing the pie will give the officer more time to react.

When searching, it is a safe assumption the suspect knows someone is looking for him. It is also safe to assume the suspect can detect someone entering a residence. The sensory clues could be something as simple as the rush of air when a door opens. One can even assume a suspect can hear an officer moving down a hallway. Despite all this, slicing the pie gives the officer a tactical advantage. A suspect or suspects might know the general area of the search but probably cannot fix the position of any of the officers. Even if they could, the tactically savvy officer is behind cover when he makes his observations.

When using the Raidhouse, it was easy to guess the location of the searching officer every time. After all, the walls are made of coated vinyl and the ceiling is a net. Even with these disadvantages, the officer who sliced the pie correctly always won, because he acquired a visual target by careful, deliberate movements. This is the most important data.

Think in three dimensions
One southern California agency was given some abandoned apartments for training. A nearby agency provided the actors for the scenarios. During one scenario, officers were told they were responding to an unknown call for help inside of an apartment complex. Four officers performed the search. As they moved down a hallway, they heard a female voice crying for help, saying, "He's got a knife! He's going to stab me!" From the screaming they were easily able to find the correct apartment. They paused outside of the apartment door, which was halfway open. The officers decided to rush in the apartment and overtake the suspect. There were two surprises beyond the door. First, the "victim" shot the first two officers with a "red gun." Second, the "victim" was squatted on top of a refrigerator, not where most people would assume the threat would come from.

This training scenario yielded several lessons. Never assume that the suspect is flat-footed. When slicing, look at the whole picture that unfolds, not just the one at chest level. Apply the correct template to the correct scenario. In this case, a deliberate look inside the apartment or a little intel would have been handy.

Consider alternative tools
Slicing the pie is only part of the equation. Another element that needs to be included is the common sense approach. The officer may have done everything right and sees where the suspect is hiding. Now it is time to use the correct tool. For example, if the suspect responds to verbal commands, there is no reason to move forward. If verbal commands are not working but canine use is appropriate, use the canine.

Other considerations - whether to enter a room, whether it will take both officers to clear a room - depend on how much officers can see when inspecting the room from the hallway, vision obscurements and the size of the search.

External slicing
Slicing is just as appropriate outside the building. When walking up to a call, every officer has the radar on, spotting potential hazards and cover along the way. Officers naturally place cover between where they are and where they are going. This is best trained by putting a threat target downrange during live-fire training and having officers walk up to a barricade. They will naturally orient to "this side toward enemy" and gravitate toward the barricade. The other part of this training is officers learn to back off a little from the barricade so their muzzle is not exposed.

Another important aspect of barricade training is when the tactical situation requires the officer to slice from the reaction- (or support) hand side. They should train to do one of two things: put the weapon in the support hand or place the non-firing hand on the chest, depending on the orientation of the threat. Either way, the mission is minimum exposure.

No master key, only a large key ring
The only way to make an officer and his team successful in pie slicing is to train, train, train. No single scenario or application will work in every situation. In a very short time, officers on a shift can become a cohesive unit. As they compare their notes with other officers from other agencies, they find that pie slicing is a universal language.
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The Flemster · May 23, 2007

There was a program on BBC2 about a year ago following 6 members of the public's attempts to complete the MI6 training.
It looked pretty straightforward (although the dingbats they used for the show really were as thick as fuck. Good telly, I s'pose...) and seemed quite easy to apply.

Give it a shot.
Just don't tell em your Sciforums name.

phlogistician · May 23, 2007

EmptyForceOfChi said: ↑

im going down to the MI6 HQ in london sometime in the next week or 2. i will be seeking employment there as i feel my training is going to waste.
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If you got a degree you could join the Civil Service and opt for a posting to one of the Intelligence agencies.

I don't think your SIA qualification as pub doorman is going to cut it with MI6 however.

Apply for an application and vetting form. You'll have to tell huge lies to get past the first round of vetting, and then get told 'no thanks' when they find out more about you. But hey, it's your time you are wasting.

phonetic · May 23, 2007

You could try to get a gig as a paid informant.

I'm not sure you'd get paid before you came up with anything good or that they wouldn't realise you were taking the piss, but it's worth a bash.

You could pick some new terrorists out for HM's finest to harass in the early hours. The brown ones are getting a little boring.

phlogistician · May 23, 2007

phonetic said: ↑

You could pick some new terrorists out for HM's finest to harass in the early hours.
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Yeah, how about Russian drug dealers?

Exploradora · May 23, 2007

I believe those secret government agencies come to you, not the other way around.

Oli · May 23, 2007

Not true: Six (or was it Five, I can't remember which) had a national recruitment drive a year or two back - newspaper adverts and everything;

Five
http://www.get.hobsons.co.uk/profile/2808/mi5_(the_security_service)

Six
http://www.prospects.ac.uk/cms/Show...mgfk?mode=displayprofile&adno=17455&from=D#p2

Of course you have to bear in mind that going and killing bad guys is NOT something they do - most of it is desk work and paper-pushing.
Good analysts are worth their weight in gold, hence the degree requirement.

phlogistician · May 23, 2007

Oli said: ↑

Not true: Six (or was it Five, I can't remember which) had a national recruitment drive a year or two back - newspaper adverts and everything;
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Yeah, I sent off for an application form, but to be honest, in the role I was looking at, the money was pretty poor.

tablariddim · May 23, 2007

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draqon · May 23, 2007

EmptyForceOfChi said: ↑

im going down to the MI6 HQ in london sometime in the next week or 2. i will be seeking employment there as i feel my training is going to waste.

i know most of you are laughing at me because of my spelling mistakes. but i think i am qualified for the position physicaly and mentaly.

this is not a joke, i am going to go down there and get a job one way or another,

wish me luck,

peace.
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the fact that you told us this already means you are not qualified.

tablariddim · May 23, 2007

He'd better delete his posts in this thread and change his computer, hard disk and ISP, and it would help if he never mentioned it on his application.

spuriousmonkey · May 23, 2007

I applied for the CIA.

And I can't think of a punchline to that.

nietzschefan · May 23, 2007

CSIS and CSA hires straight from school sometimes from certain "bloodlines", I can't imagine it being much different with Mi5/6. I suspect someone like yourself is going to have to work your way up through royal marines, SAS or commandos(and qualifying for those will be tough) before you could apply for Mi5/6.

Nickelodeon · May 23, 2007

Learn Arabic, they are in demand in the intelligence services.

EmptyForceOfChi · May 23, 2007

lol seriously redarmy and phonetic that was some funny shit i couldent stop laughing.

if i was a handicapped arabic speaking woman, that would pretty much garantee me the position. i have a basic grasp of mandarin japanese and korean. that will help me slightly.

sadly being able to kick some ass in hand 2 hand combat doesent count for much these days. nor does my weapons training.

within the MI6/SIS you have to be well qualified and hold degrees for certain positions. but within the MI5 there are positions without desk work (minimal)

i would be going for the netword security specialist position, or something simular.

i had to edit what i just posted because of something.

peace.

phlogistician · May 24, 2007

EmptyForceOfChi said: ↑

i have a basic grasp of mandarin japanese .
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BULLSHIT ALERT!

Dude, 'Mandarin' is a language spoken in China.

Oli · May 24, 2007

On the other hand it COULD be a missing comma...

mandarin, japanese and korean. Hmmm?

EmptyForceOfChi · May 24, 2007

phlogistician said: ↑

BULLSHIT ALERT!

Dude, 'Mandarin' is a language spoken in China.
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yeah why not quote it out of context to make me look like a fool. why did you do that man?

i said i have a grasp of mandarin japanese and korean,

as in 3 different languages.

peace.

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