how many times do i gotta say it??? not completely..no need for insults..i have read several books on psychology. plus have cornered a couple of psychologist and picked their brain, actually it is the reverse (although that is true) you still read more into what i am saying than what i am saying..how many times i have to say these are just my observations?? i have never claimed any basis in psychology i have only said i use psychology to communicate such experience vs education is another debate..(you are half my age..) you keep thinking i am insulting you when i am not..quote something that is a direct insult..not something you turned into an insult.. im glad to see that you have educated yourself, but in some ways you still need some maturity(hell, even i will admit to that for myself)..IE reading more into what i am saying and taking it as an insult,and you are letting your personal feelings interfere with doing what is best.(IOW you are way too focused on your emotional state of being) if i knew what you say i do not know, i would not need help..i could do it by myself..i would have no need to ask for help. there is no point to you citing my lack of knowledge as i have admitted to such and yet you still continue..is your purpose to make me feel worthless or to educate me??? if it is to educate me,you are failing..as insults do not educate. all this just reinforces my observations about worthlessness..as you are trying hard as hell to establish your own worth (pointing out my lack of worth does not validate your own worth) ,at the start you were doing a pretty good job at that..then you slipped and haven't recovered yet.. why don't you just say sorry for calling that stupid and not worth your time, and lets move on.. can we quit with the defensive conversations and get back to the educational conversations?