((( I, Hereby, Announce The Fall Of Atheism Forever ))))

you arnt talking about external forces like gravity, you are talking aobut god. You arnt implying that fish are pulled back to thier home stream by gravity are you?

how evolution works has been explained by people far more knolegeable about it than me. pick up a book by stephen j. gould. Is it the entire idea of evolution that you reject or just the idea that instincts are subject to it as well?

 

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Well, you sure have a sense of humor

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BTW, is it possible to train for suicide bombings more than once?

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i immagine that it is, you dont have to use live explocives because i bet even an amature suicide bomber could do pretty good at the part after you push the detonator, you just kind of splatter all over the place, its easy. But before that there is some sneaking around with a large bulk concealed under your cloths, and you have to have a good idea of where to go to kill innocent people for your all loving god.

 

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I heard they train with firecrackers.

 

Flores

I assume since this was in reply to my statement concerning the current state of intolerant Islam. Following from this I can say that Christianity is one of the biggest contributing factors. 1400+ years is a long period in which to try to maintain a tradition. In fact any scholar who has studied culture or religion will tell you that in fact no practice can survive so long. So it is the fault of the human life cycle and not my own that change exists.

In this case intolerance is actually a rejection of change. So in fact it is self-defeating. The Christian religion on the other hand has always been intolerant. So in fact they lose nothing. Remember too that there are more complex geopolitical reasons for their frustration/condemnation of Christian states. Those things can lost in the syncopation of time. Religions always survive, but can only do so by adapting to change.

No actually I met once a week for an hour and a halffor 2 months with them. I did research on the internet and brought my questions to them. In the end I found that they were really just like Judeo-Christians with some cultural/syntactical differences. In fact I read much of the Quron. I read praise for it and criticism of it. I even made clear to them my perspective. They were always agreeable and responsive to my questions. I found the book to be more dogmatic in its structure than the bible and less narative based. In fact it sort of reminded me of Marcus Aurelius' Meditations. Their claims of scientific parallelisms seemed spurious to me. Actually one of the students, or perhaps more, whom with I engaged was from Palestine. In that she was typically anti-Israeli, and generally persuasive in her arguments against the occupation as am I.

Let me not seem biased against the Quron in particular. Certainly there can be good and bad PhD dissertations and vagueness is a good indicator of this quality. In fact there are many deficiencies in Einstein and Darwin, yes I am a Darwinist that admits he is not perfect. But actually those deficiences do not exist because of vagueness. Rather they are borne of specificity. Darwin went into this long debate on aspeciation within modern day man and boy did he come off as a racist. In that we must remember the context of time. The problem is that religious documents don't take any chances and don't cite any evidence. Darwin and company use a system of footnotes, recreatable data with description of experiment, and otherwise form of proof. They had the courage to take a position. In the bible and the Quron there are no positions. They are indeed full of meaningless axioms and childish literature.

No in fact I just admitted to some of the failings. The difference froma religious text and a scientific theory is that theories can be revised. Just because one component is deemed wrong doesn't mean we throw the entire theory out. In a religious text repitition rules the day, can't say whether it is audience awareness or failings on behalf of the author, so when I remove a chunk the entire thing falls apart. When Darwin asserts something he tells you why. When the Quron asserts something no explanation is given.

I have, not the entire text, for that would be too painful, but rather enough. Translation isn't really a factor in anything outside poems where rythm can be lost. In fact even if I learned Farsi I would still, because of my brains codevelopment with language learning I would, be forced to translate only as the tranlator instead of the one reading translation. So you see it can't really be bull shit.

 

Hurrah to James, keep it up.

It's not about believing, it's about having physical evidence and empirical research to prove it. The Big Bang theory, and that complexity comes from non-intelligent sources have all been proven.

Ever heard of the amino acids coming out of the "primitive earth" simulation? How many times do I need to repeat that? Sheesh every time a n00b staggers in here and declares "atheism dead" I have to do this. Same old same old.

 

James, you were doing so well until you spoke this nonesense. Do you dare compare the complexity of the design of the ant with the simplistic machine named boeing 747s?


And you Zero, I understand that your invisibility and lameness by nature is causing you deep Phsycological problems......I forgive you for harrasing me, You can't help me, but don't envy me, I was born that way, It's seldom that I enter a room without turning all heads and attention to me.

 

Flores, it's okay to be a hassled, frazzled mom, especially if you are a very busy one. I see people with their hands full with just one baby. But a mother of two? Ah. No wonder you are grouchy.

But that doesn't prevent you from sounding like a menopausal virgin to me

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Sorry JD, but just a shade too much profanity and with zero content.

 

menopause, **** and what else... go ahead and prove the atheistic ideals of sexism.. even her assumed intolerence does not warrant this.:m:

 

bring on the chips, let's watch ze kiddies

Aww, are the kiddies getting mad? Party on.

 

A good article, and some good writing!! I would like to shake this Harun Yahya's hand!

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You call THAT unbiased? You're very very wrong. Oh man, I can't believe an intelligent woman such as yourself would be so hopelessly brain-washed.

The entire article is written with the premise that this conclusion is the only reasonable assumption based on the evidence presented. That's simply ridiculous. You merely find something halfway intelligent seeming that re-enforces your shoddy belief system and think "wow, this justifies everything" when in fact it's just mortar to patch up your failing and huge brick crock of shit.

 

And you're suffering poor judgement from the intoxicating sense of power you get from that...

Hmm... isn't that one of the "seven deadly sins"? Which one is it again?

 

Thou shalt go to hell if thou has not a fucking clue?

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