i am not losing weight

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  1. Skyler45 Registered Member

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    I started dieting on an 800 calorie diet for 3-4 weeks, I've managed to lose 20 lbs (im now 201-203 lbs from 224)
    I gained 80lbs from depression/anxiety in 1 year (yes, i know.)
    I drink diet soda and reset my 800 calories at 6 PM every day never going over that limit
    I checked myself in the scale yesterday and I weighed 200.96 pounds, now today I weigh 203 pounds. The first week I lost 10 lbs and 3 the following 2-3 weeks. (the problem is i am not losing weight)
    I need to lose this weight.
    pls help me
     
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  3. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Get a treadmill or something. To lose weight you just cut calories and exercise. I need to do the same.
     
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  5. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    First of all your calorie intake is too low, eventually your body will think you are starving and stop the loss weight process. What you should do is enter an exercise program, whether it be walking or joining a gym where you engage in cardio and weight training. Up your calorie intake should be to 1,500 minimum for now and then when you are actually in a exercise routine you can add more calories and still manage to lose weight.

    Cut the diet soda and drink water. I would also suggest you buy a book called The Sonoma Diet by Dr. Connie Guttersen

    http://www.sonomadiet.com/publicsite/Index.aspx?puid=09631F59-BB42-4F41-97DC-BD3460D173A3

    It not only teaches you how to regulate new eating habits but best of all it is filled with the most amazing healthy recipes that are diverse and will not leave you hungry.

    I'm not fat at all but even my body would stop functioning on an 800 calorie diet. Its simply unhealthy.
     
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  7. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    I know this is boring, but it is reality.

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    Eat a sensible diet and exercise regularly, do not worry about what you weigh as you go along. If you think that you need to do more, run more miles daily. Do that outside, so you get a couple of hours of outside time every day. Both the running and the outside time will reduce your depression.
     
  8. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Easier said than done. Its a no brainer if you know what to eat, how and when and you have some experience with exercise and its a habit, but if you don't one would have to think of every little thing and creating new habits isn't easy, especially if its a lot of weight one needs to lose.
     
  9. siledre Registered Senior Member

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    my dad and his dad grew up eating all sorts of stuff that get frowned on today but the thing is they were very active every day. today, most of us are more idle than active so what you eat is very important, 800 calories is starving yourself. if you up your calorie intake at this point the body is going to put a lot of it into fat till you adjust back to a higher calorie intake.

    there are way too many claimed experts to what you should eat to try to pick one but if you research it and use common sense you can find that which works.

    take a look at food pyramids, when buying food, get the most nutrition out of the least calories. that means fruits and veggies are going to be high on your list, as will protein items, don't shy away from carbs and fats, just be aware of the intake of those 2. you will want your calorie intake to be proper for your weight, I can't tell you what that will be, it also doesn't hurt to take a multi vitamin either. lastly do get some physical activity in. and don't get on the scale every day either, this isn't really about how much you weigh, the weight will take care of itself if you take care to eat right and excercise.
     
  10. sandy Banned Banned

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    800 calories is way too low. Get on a treadmill, do crunches, arm and leg exercises, weights etc. You could workout an hour in the morning, afternoon, and evening if you have time. You definitely have to exercise or you will look like a Sharpei. Good luck.
     
  11. superstring01 Moderator

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    Starving yourself is idiotic. That which you cannot continue for life, you should rarely do for the short term. What you don't realize, is that every time you starve yourself into losing weight, you're simply teaching your body to put fat on that much more quickly the next time you properly feed yourself. It's call "yo-yo dieting" and it's precisely why so many people are so fucking tubby. Worse, it's been linked to increased cholesterol and heart disease.

    If you must do a "short term" plan, simply cut out ALL refined carbohydrates and all added sugars (corn syrup, honey, sugar, etc). Reduce the "good carbs" to less than 20% of your diet while INCREASING (to the point of satisfaction) your protein consumption to 60% and fat consumption to about 20%. Don't eat any carbohydrates--even the good kind--after 3pm. Eat six small meals daily. Work out for 45 minutes a day. Include at least one day of resistance exercise.

    Once you reach your target weight begin dropping the fat and protein consumption and incrementally add in the GOOD carbs until you plateau.

    Even this method, while relatively healthy, is still a poor option to just doing what your grandma said: don't eat junk food, exercise daily, and eat your veggies.

    1/2 of my diet is veggies. I eat them in every meal. I eat bags and bags of frozen veggies. You'd be surprised how much the fibrous ones will fill you up (when combined with good animal protein).

    ~String
     
  12. Steven Genieus Registered Member

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    You must reduce you calorie intake or increase your calorie burning.

    if you intake 800 calories but only burn 400 calories your body will never start to use you back up calories i before e - your body stored fat.
     
  13. Idle Mind What the hell, man? Valued Senior Member

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    Your body burns something like 1,800 to 2,200 Calories per day with no activity. Your brain uses a lot of energy. So, you should probably aim your calorie intake close to that (a little under is probably ok), but it'd be good to increase activity as well. Even walking for 30-60 minutes a day to start.

    You have to burn 3,500 Calories more than you consume in order to lose a single pound of body weight, so keep that in mind.

    Also, focusing on your weight alone seems pretty silly. You can weigh 150 lbs and still be unhealthy, so focus more on fitness, and everything else should fall into place.
     
  14. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Dude, 800 calories a day is way too low. You need to double that amount. Your body thinks it's starving and is now in operation slow metabolism as low as possible and conserve each and every calorie the comes in mode. Also, your ketone bodies are probably high, your kidney's and liver will be stressed and even the Glut receptors on your muscles are being down regulated as we speak.

    In short - up the calories.


    Also, drop the soda and drink green tea. It's better if you are eating some small healthy fruits and fish all day long. This keeps your metabolism high and you end up burning more calories. Plan to eat 6 - 8 small "meals" per day. Get used to feeling hungry. If you feel "full" you're eating too much. Even the ancient Greeks knew it's not health to eat until you feel full

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    Also, try to do cycling and more exercise. This will help you with your depression as well as your weight. Don't put dealing with your depression on hold. You'll have to work on that as well.



    Learn how your body ticks. Keep notes. Record your meals and weight each day and review it weekly. I normally went to the gym 4-5 days a week and cycle to work. This last year I slowly stopped going to the gym and then I had to, for the first time ever, lose some weight. About 12 pounds. I've been slowly losing that weight for 3 months and still have 5 more to go! But, it's much better to take it off little by little and work on getting your whole life on track then to try for a "starve myself" diet. That NOT healthy, mentally or physically, and it's not going to stay off. I've seen people do it and they always gain the weight back.


    Think of this as a change of life.
     
  15. francois Schwat? Registered Senior Member

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    Jesus Christ, who gave you your diet advice? 800 Calories?

    Most of the people here have the advice spot on. First, eat more Calories before you do yourself real harm. You can really do longterm damage to your metabolism if you keep it up. Eat healthy food and exercise a lot. That's all there is to it. It's going to take a lot of time if you do it right.

    I realize that's not very helpful. You probably wonder, How do I know what food is healthy? Well, you need to get educated. Talk to your doctor. He'll give you resources. Read nutrition books. You need to be invested in this and take time to do it right. You can't expect this to be a quick and easy thing.
     
  16. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    My opinion is that you can do 800 calories if you want. Dieting may interfere with your ability to concentrate at work.


    I once did a diet as severe as your 800 calorie diet. (edit: on second thought after looking up a few things my diet was probably more like 1100 calories. I was not counting calories. I completely cut grains out of my diet at that time).

    I looked into the "you should not lose more 3 pounds or 2 pounds a week" comments to try and find the reasoning behind it. The vast majority of web sites giving that advice probably don't know why they are giving that advice. They are just copying something they read somewhere else. As best I can tell the only reason for why anybody should eat anything while dieting is that all of your bodies organs must receive all of their nutrients from your fat that you are metabolizing or from some other part of your body being metabolized if they are not receiving nutrients from food. In starvation you die of lack of vitamins and protein before you die from lack of calories. It might be possible for a person to starve to death while still having burnable fat on their body.

    As far as I can tell the only danger from an 800 calorie diet is that most 800 calorie diets will be deficient in proteins and vitamins.

    I think the "your body will think your starving and turn down your metabolism comments" are true for most people but your body may do that at a 1400 calorie diet. I think that Exercising a lot will tell your body that this is not the appropriate time to turn down your metabolism.

    Muscles burn energy while you sleep. The more muscular you are the easier it will be to lose weight while dieting.

    Your brain particularly but also your whole body need a constant supply of proteins some of which can't be synthesized by your body. I this protein supply is not met through digestion of food then your body will break down your muscles to get protein. Muscles help you lose weight, help you keep your balance, help you look good, and come in handy during all sorts of tasks so you really don't want your muscles to be lost during a diet. Don't deprive your body of protein.

    Also don't deprive your body of vitamins. If you eat vegetables and take a vitamin pill you it is easy to get more vitamins on a severe diet than most Americans get while consuming a high calorie American diet.

    I like too add a fish oil capsule to my diet so the brain can get its omega 3s. I doubt that burning your own fat in weight loss can supply all the essential fatty acids.

    But the real difficult issue on a severe diet in my opinion was getting a sufficient and balanced supply of proteins. I wanted to build muscle mass while being on a severe diet and wondered if it was possible to do that. It seems that you can do that. The body building websites (you know those guys who want ridiculous almost grotesque muscle definition) have gone deeper into how to preserve and build muscle mass while dieting than the nutrition and dieting websites do.

    If you take whey protein after exercising and in small quantities though out the day and then nonfat cottage cheese at night before bed you will take care of your body's protein requirements just fine without adding many calories. Whey protein (isolate or concentrate from health food stores) is a very complete and very quick metabolizing protein. Some of the body builders were scared of losing muscles due to temporary protein deficiency while they slept so they ate non-fat cottage cheese before bed because cottage cheese metabolizes slower and and can keep their bodies supplied in protein while they sleep. Whey protein is used up after something like 4 hours after eating it.

    If whey protein is too expensive then nonfat cottage cheese or something like 98% fat free turkey can be used. Whey protein is cheaper when bought in bulk from the internet. I liked that it was a complete protein and and did not come with extra calories. The Body builders mostly just like how fast it metabolizes so they can get a quick protein blast immediately after exercise in order to help them efficiently convert exercise into muscle mass. Having chocolate and sugar added to the whey protein is not an issue for most body builders so it is sometimes difficult to find whey protein without sugar added since the body builders are the prime market for whey protein.

    I lost more than three pounds a week. I gained most of what I lost back since then. I might go back on my extreme diet soon. I actually felt healthier and more energetic on my extreme diet that I do when eating my normal crappy American diet.

    The reason you lose so much weight easily in the first week of an extreme diet is that you use up all your glycogen at the beginning. Glycogen is in all your cells not just your liver. Glycogen is bound to water and that water is heavy. That water is released when you use up the glycogen.

    I weighed myself several times a day when I was on a hard core diet. Obsessive I know. There was about three pounds of weight variation in a day that I could not explain by any pattern. Maybe my scale was not very good. Clothing also changes the weights. Your recent two lbs recent weight gain may be meaningless. I am male so presumably I don't have hormonal weight gains and weight losses.

    Caffeine and maybe green tea in particular helps to burn fat and raise the metabolism and may influence which kind of fat is burned.

    Make some time for exercise.
     
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  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    800 kcals is too little to eat for some one trying to lose a lot of weight

    When you initially start losing weight only by dieting, your body cooperates for a few days but what you lose is usually the unessential stuff, ie, water, some muscle and some fat. Mostly, you lose water, because the body is built to defend itself from being broken down for energy and only chronic forced starvation will lead to the body being broken down for purposes of survival. ie only in a life or death situation, will your body eat itself.

    If you understand this very basic situation clearly, you can see that the only way to lose weight is to increase the stress you put on your body ie, exercise. You can have diet soda instead of soda, but I recommend you go cold turkey and kick off all soda or beer. Don't starve yourself, eat full filling meals but improve your food choices so that most of your meal is roughage, whole grains, salads with lean dressings, whole fruit. And exercise regularly, even if you start out with just 15 minutes a day of walking. Keep a log and maintain it religiously, don't worry about how much weight you are losing and allow yourself one meal in a week where you eat what you like [but don't pig out too much]

    Weigh yourself only once a week before breakfast. You'll find that at various points you'll keep hitting plateaus and find that the weight doesn't shift at all. Ignore these plateaus and keep at it. You have to train your body to reach new set points in your body weight [ie new "fixed" weight] and it takes time.
     
  18. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    A couple of suggestions then, to assist those who don't know where to begin.

    If you have a small amount of money, go to the local gym and pick up a 1 month membership. Ask for a trainer to show you how to use the equipment and to sit down with you at a table with pencil and paper to write down a weekly meal plan. (Do make sure the trainer is qualified to do this first, mind you) The gym down the street from me will do this for $50, but there are many gyms that will do it much cheaper - especially in these tight economic times.

    If you cannot afford to do this, then join an online assistance organization like Real Age. They email you weekly tips, assists, exercise recommendations and general health related advise. They have doctors on the staff and can answer your questions if needed.


    Again, I must stress that it is important to focus on getting healthy, eating right, exercising regularly and getting enough rest rather than focusing tightly on weight loss. The weight will go down as you ramp up your health centered activities.

    If you cannot afford to join the gym and do not want to seek assistance from an online organization, then you must needs do the work yourself.

    1) Take up regular exercise. Walk for 20 minutes every day, pick a time and make it part of your daily regimen. Wear comfortable shoes, take a friend if you want. Start small and work up the speed and the time. If you are too obese to walk, hit the pool and take a water aerobics class from community education. You have to start somewhere.

    2) Eat good stuff, like fruits and vegetables, whole grains, fish and poultry. Have it baked or stir - fried. If you are really hungry, go ahead and eat the whole bag of carrots or the whole stalk of celery. If you do not know how to eat healthy, look it up in Wikipedia.

    3) Skip the deep fryer and the breading. Skip sugary stuff, pop and stuff like that. Dessert is OK, but don't make it the whole meal. In short, do not eat crap.

    4) Get enough sleep.
     
  19. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    Eat numerous smaller meals throughout day instead of three main ones.
     
  20. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    In addition to what's already been said, don't focus too much on the weight per se. If you do a good exercise regimen you may not lose much weight at all, but you will lose a lot of fat and convert it to muscle. The focus should be on your fitness; weight is just a number on a scale. Depending on your height, build and activity level, 200 pounds could very well be a healthy weight.
     
  21. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    You should not try to lose more than one pound PER MONTH. The trick is to go eat the number of calories that constitute the maintenance diet for the weight at which you want to stabilize. That way, when you get there, you just keep eating the same amount.

    One of the biggest problems people have is that when they finally lose the weight they say, "Oh boy, I'm finished with that damn diet. Now I can celebrate!" Instead you want to train yourself to eat the correct number of calories and just stick with it.

    Another problem is that even though you live in the 21st century, you still have a caveman's body. If you eat less than a normal maintenance diet every day for a long time, your inner caveman says, "Omigod, there's a famine! I'd better learn to make more efficient use of what little food we've got, or we're all gonna die!" So it finds all kinds of little tricks. More efficient digestion, more sleep, lower pulse, giving up any nervous tics you might not be aware of, etc.

    When the famine ends, it will probably try to accumulate a little extra fat to prepare for the next famine, then eventually it might relax and go back to its old ways. People who go on yo-yo diets convince their bodies that there is ALWAYS going to be another famine, so they stay in high-efficiency mode forever. These are the people you meet who can gain weight on a 1300-calorie diet. They're not lying. They've just ruined their lives by creating an artificial famine every year or two.
    I hope you got some professional help for that, so it doesn't happen again. And I hope you're still working with whoever was helping you. Psychologist, psychiatrist, family counselor, pastor, wise old uncle, trustworthy teacher, whatever. So it doesn't happen again next time something terrible occurs.
    Don't weigh yourself every day. That's a big mistake. Once a week is often enough. Your weight fluctuates by as much as two or three pounds from a lot of factors: Eating salty food so your cells absorb more water, not having taken a good crap recently; sweating, etc. I don't know what gender you are, but this is an especially big problem for women, particularly on their monthly cycle. Weigh yourself once a week and don't worry about little fluctuations.
    People often shed a lot of water during the first week of a diet because they give up a lot of processed food which is high in salt. That's not "real" weight.
    That's still a lot. As I said above, you shouldn't be trying to lose more than one pound a month. I know you want to look good and feel good so I'm not going to yell at you if you try to lose two or three pounds a month, but please don't go for more than that. You've already lost more than 20 pounds. Many people would be pleased if they could do in year, then do it again next year! Doing it in a few weeks is overdoing it, and it's no wonder that your body is rebelling. Listen to it! Don't starve yourself! Be patient!
    No, the problem is that you're trying to lose weight too fast. It's not healthy for your body. 800 calories is simply not enough to live on, unless you're four feet tall and built like Tinkerbell. Yes, your body gets energy by burning fat, but it's not good for it to burn fat that quickly. On such a small daily ration it's difficult to get enough vitamins and minerals. Even if you take supplements, many of them are fat-soluble and require a reasonable amount of fat in your diet, otherwise they just go in one end and out the other.
    Yes, you need to lose it, but you need to lose it more slowly. It will take you three or four times as long to take weight off as it took to put it on. The universe is not fair and you simply have to accept that. Next time you'll remember this and not be so easily tricked by your emotions into gaining weight. Next time you feel anxiety or depression you'll head for the telephone instead of the refrigerator.

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    You can do this. You're doing fine. Don't pay so much attention to the scale, be more patient with your goals, and please eat more so you won't harm your body with a starvation diet.
     
  22. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Reading Women, food and God might give you some insights.
    There is an article about it and an excerpt from the book in this April's Oprah magazine.
     
  23. Pinwheel Banned Banned

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    Try going two weeks eating zero carbs while drinking plently of water.
     

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