Hysterical Literature (something I stumbled upon today)

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  1. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    WARNING GOING FORWARD:

    This subject matter is, for all intents and purposes, not for immature audiences... I will not say those "of age" because age is a piss poor determination of maturity...

    HOWEVER

    I expect this thread to remain on topic and to conduct itself with SOME level of maturity... yes, the subject material begs some sort of emotive/reactive response, but I think the point behind it is much more important.

    With that said, I present the spoiler tag:


    Hysterical Literature

    I am of two minds with this... to the one, I get the point here; we, as a society, have so dramatized, fanaticized, romanticized, and made "taboo" the idea of sexuality that bringing it out into the open is, for many, almost unthinkable... but sex and sexuality is NOT some evil thing to be "hidden away"... and to be honest, I completely agree. Within the boundaries of good taste and common sense, why should someone have to fear a choice between being "sexy" and being "intelligent"? That kind of either-or mindset is simply ridiculous.

    To the other hand... this project DOES take it to a rather... interesting... extreme.

    Then again... as a red blooded male, I am fascinated by the varying reactions of the participants and their thoughts of the experiment (which you can find in the about section of the site).

    I actually stumbled across this site from a facebook post linking to this article:


    on gizmodo, which talks about the women from the band ADAM attempting to sing one of their songs while being stimulated to orgasm. It shows an intriguing side of the human psyche - the desire to succumb to the sensations coursing through the body, yet at the same time knowing you have to continue to perform the task at hand, else the ministrations you are enjoying will cease.

    I dunno, just found it fascinating (and admittedly somewhat entertaining); despite the obvious erotic nature of the content, it was not being "sexualized" at all.

    What do ya'll make of this? ADAM did it as a type of Art - Hysterical Literature did it as both an Art and a Study.
     
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  3. Bells Staff Member

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    I think you'd first have to look at the historical aspect of 'hysteria' and sex and orgasms to understand it.

    In the past, women's "hysteria" was often treated by sexually assaulting and raping them until they orgasmed. This was a medical treatment and used in mental institutions and even normal medical practitioners for many decades.. How and why do you think the vibrator was ever invented?. Back then, "hysteria" was also known as 'womb disease' and the treatment was to have someone manipulate the woman's clitoris and her genitals and also penetrate her vaginally until she orgasmed, with or without her consent. And since women were apparently not sexual beings and had no real sexual feelings, nor could they enjoy sex, they were deemed to suffer 'hysteria', the treatment of which was literally sexual assault until she orgasmed.
     
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  5. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Indeed if you read the faq on the site he explains the Victorian Era "treatment" as where the name came from, though it is mostly unrelated to the experiment itself
     
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  7. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Define "distracts".

    More generally; so this is social sciences research, then.
     
  8. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Okay, who the fuck funded this?
     
  9. Bells Staff Member

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    It means the 'someone' under the table is sexually assaulting her as she reads.

    The worst part about this is that the author or the inventor of "hysterical literature" falls directly into the horrendous practice used by doctors in the last few hundred years, whereby women were not seen as being sexual beings in that they had no sexual feelings, including arousal, etc, and thus, had to be treated by sexual assault until they had an orgasm..
     
  10. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    I am confused by that statement Bells - by the authors own words
    I wouldn't call it sexual assault either - after all they knew what was going to happen
     
  11. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Kitta, I appreciate the idea of exploring the nature of the 'hysterical boundary' (although you could achieve distracted responses by poking someone with a pin; then again that would be violence, the other side of the coin) but the more I think about this I'm not sure if it's suitable for SF. I know we have that age limit but I think it's only 13. It's not sexual assault, though.
     
  12. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Certainly not the worst topic I've seen the last few years... However, if the general consensus is that it is inappropriate, I will remove it.
     
  13. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    How the hell is all sexual touching sexual assault?
     
  14. Bells Staff Member

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    Beg yours?

    Did you actually just ask that question?

    Wow dude..

    Since you're big on hypotheticals, he's one for you. You are a woman and you go to your doctor. Your doctor, being in a position of authority over you and knows more about the human body and what ails it better than you do, tells you that he needs to rub your clitoris and insert his fingers in your vagina to make you feel all better. You say 'okay', thinking this is valid treatment. This was regular practice for several hundred years and women were often made and expected to be subjected to these forms of 'treatment' for various ailments, from talking back to her husband to being independent to various other reasons men dreamt up back then to manipulate a woman's genitals and call it medical care. By law, your doctor has committed a crime. Not only can it be sexual assault, but also rape if there is penetration.

    Unwanted and unwelcome touching without consent can be deemed sexual assault, and often is, surprisingly enough...

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    The author in the OP was worded in a way that made me believe it could have been because of the way it was worded. However upon delving deep into the website of the author, these women are made aware of what is going to happen during the filming process.
     
  15. Balerion Banned Banned

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    Who deleted those posts? Ae let Bells' ridiculous assertion that the video is an example od sexual assault stand, but not the counterpoints? Seriously? That's how we run this place now?
     
  16. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    I have to ask - what and how do we draw the distinction here between pornography, art, and science? Obviously, depending on the intent with which you view it, this could be considered any or all of the three.
     
  17. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    I think that it's abundantly clear that this thread has next to nothing to do with science. It's out of place in this forum, though it might arguably be appropriate for the 'arts' forum down below.

    I'd say that this thread looks like a strange bit of trolling. It's a moderator posting material that's calculated to stir up Sciforums' readers, along with a warning to them not to get stirred up.

    The original 'art' work/performance (or whatever it was) looks like it might have been the same thing at one remove. It was the artist playing mind-games with the audience, by showing what sounds to me like pornography under the guise of high-concept art.

    So is the audience supposed to dismissively condemn the work as pornography, or are they supposed to play the sophisticates, nibbling cheese and sipping from their wine glasses? If they do the former, they can be ridiculed as 'lowbrow conservatives'. If they do the latter, they can be laughed at for accepting almost anything as 'art', provided that it's packaged pretentiously enough and shown at the right gallery.
     
  18. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Whatchamawhosthat again?

    I think you'd better, yeah, because I can see where this is going.

    Totally fucking did. Watch, I'm gonna do it again:

    How the hell is all sexual touching sexual assault?

    Jeebus, I'm out of control! Next I'll be voting. Crazy.

    Eh? Who's one for me?

    Wait, now I'm a woman? I thought you were implying above that I was supposed to be gay for this exercise or something: "he's one for you". Okay, okay, whatever. I can adapt. I'm a woman now. Throw pillows, glass ceiling, Doctor McSteamy. I'm in the zone. I can nail this part.

    No, wait! I didn't mean 'nail'. That sounds... well, you know. What I mean is -

    Okay, my doctor - who is essentially a perv or very stupid - has assaulted me.

    Which is... unwanted and unwelcome, then? But they told them that was what they were going to do.

    I'm lost here. Am I still a woman? A gay woman? A lumberjack? A dandelion? And how is all sexual touching assault, then?

    I'm sure these questions will be cleared up in the next episode.

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    Heh. Sorry. It's just that with the deleted posts, well. You know. Funny.
     
  19. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Weeelll...

    Yeah. Pretty much. Come on: it was always going to go this way, as much as we'd always have Paris.



    I mean the author in the OP was worded in such a way that I have faith in the process as defined by the select members of the management committee that is currently reviewing all our cases.
     
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  21. Bells Staff Member

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    The person who started the thread requested that certain posts be deleted or moved for being off-topic. After a search, it appears as though the posts were moved here: http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?141508-Splinter-Digression-and-Responses-Thereunto-from-Hysterical-Literature&p=3189261#post3189261

    I was then advised by the same individual to ignore and stop responding to Balerion in this thread.

    If you have an issue with it, take it up with the OP.
     
  22. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    At this point I may as well just have the entire thread removed... Here I had hoped we could discuss the contents like rational adults. I see I was mistaken - we would rather assault one another and attempt to leverage the thread as some sort of ammunition... To which I say simply "sod that"
     
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