Humans are robots

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  1. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    No... i dont know for certan if what i said is true.!!!
     
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  3. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    Do you have any reason to suspect that a robot out there is self-aware?
     
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  5. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah i thank a calculator is jus as "conscious" as a human... its jus that what we thank of as human consciousness is so complex it seems "magical" to us.!!!
     
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  7. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    So is it just human-made artifacts that are conscious? How about trees? A tree is much more complicated than a calculator.
     
  8. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    I thank the only diference in human an mechanical robots is that humans are biological... an no i dont know of any evidence of a mechanical robot which is complex enuff to match human self awarness.!!!
     
  9. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    I notice you said 'match' a human in self-awareness. Adn then the other post with calculators having some consciousness. You are starting to make panconsciousness noises, at least in relation to devices.
     
  10. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    If trees had the sensory input humans have an able to process it like humans do... then trees coud also preceive themselfs as bein self-aware.!!!
     
  11. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    As an 'only' difference this might be a rather huge one. It's a bit like saying the only difference between the Sun and a bacteria is that the bacteria is biological.
     
  12. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Coud be... i dont know what panconsciousness is.!!!
     
  13. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    Trees do sense. They react in all sorts of ways to their environment, relating to temperature, water presence. They even communicate with each other. If there are pests in nearby trees, these trees release chemicals that cause other trees to take defensive measures. Trees sense sunlight and even more towards it. They move around obstacles both on the micro with roots and on the macro with branches and trunks.
     
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  14. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
    I thank the only diference in human an mechanical robots is that humans are biological. ”

    In respect to consciousness... an the complexity of the consciousnes.!!!
     
  15. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    But you said you thought machines could be conscious. So it seems like you don't consider that difference so telling.
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  16. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    oK... i dont thank consciousness is an entity unto itself... much less somptin that only a biological creature has (or a calculator)... the human brane is evolved to a pont whare we can comtimplate our ideas... but mos of us still see consciousness as somptin seperate from our mind/body... an in that regard i dont thank "consicousness" esists... in a calculator or a human... so i thank a calculator an a human are equal in "consciousness" in that nether one has consciousness.!!!

    I thank mos peoples idea of "consciousness" is perty much based on ignerence... i thank a suffeciently complex computer woud be indistinguishable from human intelegence... an ironicaly... such a "robot" coud be jus as ignerent an thank that "consciousness" is som sort of magical an seperate entity from itself... lol.!!!
     
  17. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    It sounds like you mean a 'soul'. Do you really think we are not aware, that we do not experience?

    Well, maybe. Pretty speculative, but I do notice the 'I thank' s in there. But I wasn't assuming at the consciousness was a separate entity, it was more like I was saying it is the only entity we can be sure of. Everything else is deduced from portions of it. Every word, for example, is shorthand for certain experiences.
     
  18. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
    oK... i dont thank consciousness is an entity unto itself... much less somptin that only a biological creature has (or a calculator)... the human brane is evolved to a pont whare we can comtimplate our ideas... but mos of us still see consciousness as somptin seperate from our [body]... an in that regard i dont thank "consicousness" esists... in a calculator or a human... so i thank a calculator an a human are equal in "consciousness" in that nether one has consciousness.!!! ”

    Prolly mos people do see consciousness/soul as bein one an the sam... ie... not biological an therfor coud only be duplicated by a God... but i dont have such "beleifs" so i ant restricted in what i thank is posible.!!!

    I thank we have those abilities... an i thank "we" can duplicate those abilities.!!!
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    “ I thank mos peoples idea of "consciousness" is perty much based on ignerence... i thank a suffeciently complex computer woud be indistinguishable from human intelegence... an ironicaly... such a "robot" coud be jus as ignerent an thank that "consciousness" is som sort of magical an seperate entity from itself... lol.!!! ”

    Yes... but i thank human "consciousness" is meerly biological complexity (not somptin magical) which can be duplicated thru suffeciently complex computers... an the trend toward mor powerful computers seems quite healthy an thrivin.!!!

    Well i ant certan of anythang... but that aside... i see the mind/body as the sam biological entity.!!!
     
  19. Cyperium I'm always me Valued Senior Member

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    I do see what you mean, the uncertainties seem to disappear when things grow big, this is true for a limited time-period, but problems arise when we try to extend that time-period cause there are too many factors to count in, and in time you can be sure that even those miniature uncertainties with the atoms starts to play a part. A small change is doomed to trigger a big change sooner or later.

    Our free will is your part of the process that chooses, when you understand that your free will isn't an illusion but actually a part of the system that chooses, then you will understand that it really is free. It is no illusion - and there is no magic involved.
     
  20. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    So we have free-will dew to miniature uncertanties.???
     
  21. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    Right. I did not think you believed in souls. But it seemed like you were arguing against souls. For some reason.
    How do we know that consciousness is dependent on complexity? I mentioned in a post earlier that trees to in fact have senses and respond to each other and their environments. Might this not also be coupled with consciousness? If calculators can have consciousness, and these are really rather simple things compared with almost any biological organism, and you are open to them having consciuosness, might not a wide range of organisms be conscious?

    OK, but that's not quite a response to my point. I assume, also, that you are not certain about this mind body unity.
     
  22. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
    ...i thank human "consciousness" is meerly biological complexity (not somptin magical) which can be duplicated thru suffeciently complex computers... an the trend toward mor powerful computers seems quite healthy an thrivin.!!! ”

    Well it depends on how consciousness is defined... an what many people thank of as consciousness is that its som unknown somptin... or our sole/a magical-like thang which is bestowed on us by som higher power... ie... somptin seperate from the body... an what i thank "consciousness" is... that humans have evolved to a level of complexity that allows us to ponder the input from our sinses an make (aparent) choises based on that imput... an we label that ability as consciousness.!!!

    Under the rite circumstances... trees coud also evolve in complexity to reach the level of bein able to ponder ther actions as we do.!!!

    “ Well i ant certan of anythang... but that aside... i see the mind/body as the sam biological entity.!!! ”

    Which of you'r ponts was my response lackin.???

    No i ant certan about anythang... i thank people who are certan about thangs fall wit-in the relm of havin "beleifs"... such as... "im certan that my lovin father in heaven is my savior".!!!

    As far as mind body unity... i dont thank thers such a thang as mental-illness... as if the "mental" is seperate from the body.!!!
     
  23. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    But how do we know that consciousness is dependent on complexity?

    and well, same question.

    This would be a belief of yours. Beliefs are ideas we think are true.

    then there's no much room for free will is there? And if there is free will, I am not sure what the difference would be between different beliefs being rational or irrational. One person's beliefs would be the equivalent of their hair color.
     

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