Discussion in 'World Events' started by ElectricFetus, Mar 5, 2013.
No different from here , the media is used by different political party
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At least we have free media though, as in the government does not run the media and cut out opposition party's freedom of speech. Chavez had unlimited access to the airwaves, plus his one TV show, while Caprilies was only allowed "three minutes of pre-recorded TV campaigning a day."
He is over let him rest in peace. and lets hope for a better future
There is no stability issue in Venezuela that I have noticed, rather the contrary, and also I think you need to take into account that tackling wide scale poverty leads to longer term economic growth.
More importantly, it seems you are suggesting that a nations economic growth* is more important than alleviating the hunger and promoting the wellbeing of its starving citizens? Thats a moral copout IMHO.
*economic growth is what is bringing the health of this planet to its knees. Time to change the paradigm, thank you Chavez.
How about American pawn Mr. Henrique? He would be a great asset for people of Venezuela in USA now, so much adoration for CIA operations and control of major companies under american slogan of "freedom".
For USA to get in it will be necessary to have a military take over , similar as in 1957, the dictator was a military man and the naval admiral Larazabal pulled the ships out of the ports .To my understanding they have about 10000 Cuban medical officers and they probably act in favor of the Chavistas. And I assume the Estado Zulia the main petroleum producer will attempt to split off. ( speculation )
lol maybe you should learn how Americans did it in Chile. Nice and Easy, nice and easy. Milton Friedman way, killing opponents one by one, one against each other.
M. Fridman was an economist from University of Chicago, But the incident in Chile was the case of Alliende ? and establish Pinochec ?
Yeah your blind. They have had to devalued their currency 3 times in the last decade because of incredible inflation, crime rate has more then doubled, milk and meat are in shortage, electricity is intermittent.
I'm saying they aren't mutually exclusive, that growth and tackling poverty can be done together, not at the expense of one or the other. Since growth in vital to tackle poverty, focusing on poverty at the expense of growth is self destructive!
No trying to feed and cloth billions of people is bring this planet to its knees, if you care about the health of the planet so much why don't you start a movement to murder 99% of the human race in righteous genocide to protect the planet from their greed? Now don't get me wrong environmentalism is a good thing: global warming will most likely reduce that carrying capacity of the planet not increase it, but I'm not so silly as to simply protect the earth for the earth sake: the earth is a unconscious, emotionaless wet rock and will last for billions of years more before being melted down into our dying sun. What actually matters is that people have fresh air, clean water and sustainable living, and that we make the world better for people, not for the world its self! Economic growth is vital so societies can build the machines and develop the technology to do just that.
Chavez and his Bolivarianism aren't for that, they only seek to solve present problems with unsustainable solutions, make people go back out into into rural land and farm with out tractors and fertilizer! Build homes for people without building the factors to make the bricks and nails and pumping for those homes nor the jobs for the people! Finance all this by liquidating the very infrastructure that provides your financing, make enemies for scapegoating gain instead of suckling up to everyone and anyone that can provide financing for your reforms, etc, etc, yes thank you Chavez, for showing Latin America their options for economic reform: No wonder everyone else there is switching over to Brazil economic model instead. So do you want to focus on making sure everyone gets a fair share of a single cake or focus on trying to get more cakes for everyone?
Yeah I'm pretty sure he not CIA operative, yes I know the history, but USA is increasingly powerless in world affairs and is not the bogeyman it was or everyone wants it to be.
How he resting in peace embalmed and on display forever like Lenin, Stalin and Mao? All the worlds conservatives are laughing because there is no better way to compare him to "real" dictators than that!
Stalin's body is not on display.
It was removed from display in 1961, when Lenin asked an old woman for it to be buried because he didn't like having Stalin perched next to him.
At the Twenty-second Party Congress in October 1961, an old, devoted Bolshevik woman, Dora Abramovna Lazurkina stood up and said:
My heart is always full of Lenin. Comrades, I could survive the most difficult moments only because I carried Lenin in my heart, and always consulted him on what to do. Yesterday I consulted him. He was standing there before me as if he were alive, and he said: "It is unpleasant to be next to Stalin, who did so much harm to the party."
This speech had been pre-planned yet it was still very effective. Khrushchev followed by reading a decree ordering the removal of Stalin's remains.
what is amazing is that you know this)))
Nobody said it was perfect. But again, certainly, VERY VERY FAR from "unstable" and economically mismanaged. Regarding the economy, not sure where you are getting your facts?
"Economic milestones these last ten years include reduction in unemployment from 11.3% to 7.7%; doubling the amount of people receiving social insurance benefits, and the public debt has been reduced from 20.7% to 14.3% of GNP and the flourishing of cooperatives has strengthen local endogenous economies. In general, the Venezuelan economy has grown 47.4% in ten years, that is, 4.3% per annum. [viii]. Today many European countries would look jealously at these figures. Economists who studied in detail the Venezuelan economy for years indicate that, “The predictions of economic collapse, balance of payments or debt crises and other gloomy prognostications, as well as many economic forecasts along the way, have repeatedly proven wrong… Venezuela’s current economic growth is sustainable and could continue at the current pace or higher for many years.”
Clearly, as supported by the facts - growth and tackling poverty is being dealt with concurrently.
What are you on about?
But sadly, societies in general have done NONE of that you mention above, they have been far too busy amassing obscene wealth via exploitation of both people and resources.
Where in the world are you getting your info?
"With regard to these social determinants of health indicators, Venezuela is now the country in the region with the lowest inequality level (measured by the Gini Coefficient) having reduced inequality by 54%, poverty by 44%. Poverty has been reduced from 70.8% (1996) to 21% (2010). And extreme poverty reduced from 40% (1996) to a very low level of 7.3% (2010). About 20 million people have benefited from anti-poverty programs, called “Misiones” (Up to now, 2.1 million elderly people have received old-age pensions – that is 66% of the population while only 387,000 received pensions before the current government.
Education is a key determinant of both health and poverty and the Bolivarian government has placed a particular emphasis on education allotting it more than 6% of GDP. UNESCO has recognized that illiteracy been eliminated furthermore, Venezuela is the 3rd county in the region whose population reads the most. There is tuition free education from daycare to university; 72% of children attend public daycares and 85% of school age children attend school. There are thousands of new or refurbished schools, including 10 new universities. The country places 2nd in Latin America and 5th in the world with the greatest proportions of university students. In fact, 1 out of every 3 Venezuelans are enrolled in some educational program.[ii] . It is also a great achievement that Venezuela is now tied with Finland as the 5th country with the happiest population in the world.[iii]".
and CLEARLY - financial stability...
"According to Global Finance and the CIA World Factbook ,the Venezuelan economy presents the following indicators.[x]: unemployment rate of 8%; 45,5% government (public) debt as a percent of GDP (by contrast the European Union debt/GDP is 82.5%); and a real GDP growth: GDP per capita is $13,070. In 2011, the Venezuelan economy defied most forecasts by growing 4.2 percent, and was up 5.6 percent in the first half of 2012. It has a debt-to-GDP ratio comfortably below the U.S. and the UK, and stronger than European countries; an inflation rate, an endemic problem during many decades, that has fallen to a four-year low, or 13.7%, over the most recent 2012 quarter. Even The Wall Street Journal reports that Venezuela’s stock exchange is by far the best-performing stock market in the world, reaching an all-time high in October 2012, and Venezuela’s bonds are some of the best performers in emerging markets."
Get your head out of the sand, you are echoing the disinformationists.
"Comparing the man’s accomplishments to his U.S. obits was like taking a trip through Alice’s looking glass. Virtually none of the information about poverty and illiteracy was included, and when it was grudgingly admitted that he did have programs for the poor, it was “balanced” with claims of soaring debts, widespread shortages, rampant crime, economic chaos, and “authoritarianism.”
It's hard to single out one country, but in aggregate, Latin America has been making tremendous progress.
They haven't had a real war among themselves for a very long time; that puts them way ahead of Europe, the USA, and most of the rest of the world.
Their economies, in aggregate, are growing nicely. Brazil is now the world's sixth-largest economy and the Europeans are trying to borrow money from them. Mexico, in a single generation, has tranformed itself into a middle-class country, and net emigration to the USA is now negative as people move back home to start businesses.
Genuine democracy is spreading throughout the region. It isn't universal yet, but the handwriting is on the wall for the despots. And the U.S. can take much of the credit for the laggards, particularly pitiful El Salvador.
Crime is still a problem in many places, but (once again!) much of that is due to the shit-for-brains U.S. government and its insane "war on drugs." Uruguay recently decriminalized all drugs to solve the problem there. I predict that Mexico will do the same. They're getting really tired of thousands of their citizens being gunned down in cartel violence every year, for the ridiculous reason that Americans can't buy their drugs at home.
There are flashes of progress throughout the region periodically. Sure there is occasional backsliding, but the net direction is forward.
When my wife was working on her master's degree 30 years ago, she specialized in Latin American literature. She was astounded by the ideas and attitudes she saw reflected in their poetry and fiction. She said, "Mark my words: Latin America will be the next center of global culture and finance." She didn't know that the transition would start in her lifetime!
And BTW, de veras, George Bush ya es un gran pendejo. That was the greatest quote of 2006. (Did I get the right year?)
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