How would a multipolar world look like?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Schmelzer, Jul 4, 2017.

  1. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Oh I like this, should we make peace with Iran to?, how about cuba?, all sanctions must go?, free trade to all? So if countries want to sell and buy nuclear weapons, why not?

    doubtful.
     
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  3. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, but very reasonable actions. Namely to develop own nuclear weapons and rockets to deliver them to possible aggressors. If this work has reached its aim to deter the US from aggression, it makes no sense for NK to continue this. And after this it makes no sense to continue the sanctions.
    To hope that NK will give away the nuclear weapons it has is stupid. After Ghadafi has been punished for stopping his own nuclear program by Clinton nobody will be that stupid again.
    Trump is protectionist, and sanctions are a form of protectionism, so I would not expect from Trump any lifting of sanctions. But that sanctions are stupid from a political point of view is quite obvious.
    You are not (yet) at war with Iran, so to make peace with it is actually formally impossible.
     
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  5. Kittamaru No more Staff Member

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    You have yet to prove that pursuing nuclear weapons is a "reasonable" action...
    You are also claiming that "starving your population half to death" is a "reasonable" action...
    Or that "murdering your own family members for questioning you" is a "reasonable" action...
    You are claiming that "claiming to be willing to unleash a nuclear first strike" on a nuclear armed nation is a "reasonable" action...

    Fucking hell, there is NOTHING reasonable about North Korea's actions of late...
     
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  7. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    See how Ghadafi has ended. He stopped his attempt to get nuclear weapons. See how Saddam Hussein has ended, he also has not succeeded to get nuclear weapons.
    Three lies. The current sanctions are largely concerned with North Korea's nuclear weapons program and were imposed after its first nuclear test in 2006. I have named NKs nuclear weapons program reasonable. Nothing else of what NK is doing.

    The fact is that in a world where one power goes insane and starts regime change and war in many places without any justification a nuclear weapons program is reasonable. The alternative is to submit to this rogue state. Or you are under permanent threat of a war, like Iran.
     
  8. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Oh so what should we do instead of sanctions?

    And when I say doubtful I seriously mean it, they have enough plutonium for a handful of bombs of tactical yeild (< 50 kt), and have blown most of them up in testing and shows of force.
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    But they will. Regimes like that do not make sense in that way - look at how far past MAD the MAD powers took things, how far past retaliation Israel took things, how far India and Pakistan have taken their nukes, etc.
    Nukes are like potato chips for strongmen, or beers for alcoholics - one's too many, a hundred's not enough.

    Iran has a case for nukes of its own - although wiser heads would make different arrangements, and probably have by appearances. North Korea not so much: it is not behaving wisely, and of course Trump is a loose cannon - how much he comprehends of the kinds of risks posed by nuclear weapons is hard to guess. So the odds of accident here are getting to hazard levels.
    Those guys did not have China to protect them. The US will not screw around with China - Korea was lesson enough.
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Except when sanctions are a form of globalist expansion and unipolar imposition, globalist punishment of defiance, and Trump will lift them - on Russia, say - because he is a rational businessman and nationalist rather than a globalist, and is cooperative with a multipolar world.

    Remember?
     

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