How will Assange be punished for attempting to advance democracy?

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How will Assange be punished for attempting to advance democracy?

  1. Give Assange a heart attack.

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  2. Have Assange die in a plane crash.

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  3. Have Assange commit suicide.

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  4. Put Assange in Jail for decades for a crime not related to his work.

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  1. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    How will Assange be punished for attempting to advance democracy?

    The "International Community" (of public ambassadors to global elite criminality) must deter any attempt to transform crippled dysfunctional democracy into vibrant real democracy because real democracy is a threat to the status quo.

    Anybody who has the clarity to be suspicious of governments and corporations and the audacity to attempt to advance democracy as a force held by the people needs to get the message that bad things will happen to you if you proceed down this path.

    An example will be needed to be made of Assange but the sheeple must not come to know what has been done. The example is to send a message to the non-sheeple.

    (This is probably fool hardy as lovers of democracy don't respond to intimidation in the same way that the high powered criminals the International community is used to dealing with do but the "International Community"* is probably too set in it's ways to treat Assange differently than how they treat each other in their squabbles for power.

    "International Community" is what the collective agents of genteel criminality wish to be called by the sheeple.
     
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  3. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    You've loaded the question with a premise that what he is doing advances democracy.
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    He'll probably become implicated in something entirely unrelated to wikileaks. Either that or wikileaks will be brought under the Patriot Act.
     
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  7. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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    Hasn't he already been accused of child pornography or something insidious like that?
     
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  8. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    Yes I made this thread BuffaloRoam style.

    But what do you think he thinks he is doing? He is not some cartoon character who does evil because he is evil.

    The global forces for status quo will do what they can in their propaganda campaign against Wikileaks.

    I am extremely confident that what Wikileaks is doing does advance the cause of democracy.

    WikiLeaks (not the ridiculous Tea Party movement) is at the modern cutting edge of movement that made the Boston Tea Party to pursuit liberty.
     
  9. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    From: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...l-ellsberg-wikileaks-julian-assange-in-danger

    An interview with Daniel Ellsberg
     
  10. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    Below from http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/873...iran-website-wikileaks-united-states-red-.htm

    By SreeRam Banda | December 1, 2010 1:33 AM EST

    Interpol has issued a "Red Notice" for Wikileaks founder Julian Assange. France-based international police organization charged Assange of sex crimes and put him on its most wanted list. The 39-year-old Australian was wanted for questioning over rape allegations against him. The Notice is likely to make his international travel more complicated. Meanwhile, Ecuador President denied reports of offering residency to Assange.



    The warrant against him was issued by the International Public Prosecution office in Gothenburg, Sweden. It isn't an international arrest warrant but it asks people to contact the police if they know his whereabouts. The District Court of Stockholm was recently urged to detain Assange, claiming that they have not been able to meet him to accomplish the interrogations.

    A Swedish woman appealed to the court accusing the 39-year-old Australian of raping her during his visit to the country in August. A warrant was issued against him in the same month but was later dropped as the prosecutors claimed he was no longer a suspect in the case.

    But in September, the case was re-opened after the public prosecutors maintained that there was 'reason to believe a crime has been committed' and it could be classified as rape. He was not detained then and was allowed to travel freely outside the country.

    Meanwhile, Ecuador's President Rafael Correa stated that he did not approve any offer of residency made to the Wikileaks founder following the latest leaks. Earlier on Monday, Kintto Lucas, the Deputy Foreign Minister welcomed Assange to live and lecture in the country unconditionally. Sweden had already turned down his application for residency and Australia is launched an investigation if the whistle-blower website broke any local laws.

    Wikileaks has dismissed the allegations against Assange as part of a smear campaign.

    .... more
     
  11. Bells Staff Member

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    You mean like this:

    Interpol has issued a red notice for the arrest of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. The notice is an international 'wanted poster' that the agency hopes will lead to the extradition of the wanted person to the country that originally filed the arrest warrant.

    The notice is now appearing on Interpol's website, saying that he is wanted for " sex crimes." The charges come from an alleged incident in Sweden.


    The investigation stems from separate encounters Assange had with two women during his August visit to Sweden, where he was applying for Swedish residency and attempting to secure the protection of Swedish free-press laws for his secret-spilling website. According to local news reports, the women told investigators the sexual encounters began as consensual, but turned non-consensual. One woman said Assange ignored her appeals to stop when the condom broke.

    Assange has denied any wrongdoing, and hinted that the complaints are the result of a U.S. "smear campaign" targeting WikiLeaks -- leading some supporters of the group to publicly investigate the two women and their families.​


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/30/interpol-julian-assange-r_n_790157.html



    The rape accusations came soon after the last document dump.

    Convenient, isn't it?
     
  12. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    Ellsberg is a washed up fool, and what Assange is doing is not comparable to the Pentagon Papers, no matter how much Leftists and the Media want to make that link.

    I think he probably believes his own bullshit, just like a lot of people. But the reality is I think he is a hacker, anarchist with a huge ego who is exploiting a niche to get headlines and stroke his juvenile "tear the world up" feelings.

    I don't think he's evil. See the above.

    One doesn't need propaganda, which Assange himself engages in quite a bit, to take issue with what he is doing.

    It's a bold claim and I'd be curious to see you try to defend it. I mean, what has wikileaks done to further liberty or democracy? Or what effects that advanced either were achieved through these releases?
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Seriously? That constitutes rape?

    Well for one thing it will be interesting to see how, after admitting they think Karzai is both corrupt and vile, they expect him to be a "suitable" partner in Afghanistan. I think both the soldiers dying in Afghanistan and the people of Afghanistan would like to know why such a man enjoys the public support of all these governments.
     
  14. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    Everything Wikileaks has done has furthered democracy. Making more information available furthers democracy. Anything that makes governments more fearful of taking actions that their people would disaprove of furthers democracy.
     
  15. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Having sex with a woman who tells you she doesn't want to have sex is rape, yes. Obviously. Even if she wanted to have sex with you before that, or might again in different circumstances.

    What do you imagine it takes for an act to be "rape," if not a clear expression of nonconsent? Do you have to beat a woman over the head and drag her into a dark alley for it to count, or what?
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Up to what point? If she orgasms first and then doesn't want the guy to continue is it still rape?

    I guess I haven't thought that much about it. While I fully accept that either party can change their mind at any time, I think once both parties have noncoercively agreed to the sexual act itself, then changing your mind midstream because of a faulty condom seems to be poor grounds for rape. After all they are both adults, not just the man.
     
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  17. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Consent is second to second, it can be withdrawn at ANY time, that's the law. As for them both being adults your correct. If he changes his mind mid stream and she continues that's ALSO rape
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Well its discriminatory because it assumes that men and women are physiologically identical when it comes to the sex act
     
  19. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    It's a simple principle, SAM: sex without consent is rape.

    Most people can understand the principle.
     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    And yet, the Swedish government had thrown out the arrest warrant before the wikileaks debacle. So clearly, its not something that is as cut and dried as "most people" would claim
     
  21. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Let us guess, he asked them to close their eyes and when they opened them, they had his uncovered penis inside them. Surprise!!

    Maybe they discovered the broken condoms later and retrospectively decided not to have sex with him
     
  23. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    Come on, Sam. Anyone who reads the NYT knows this. They have run multiple stories about the Karzais. And you're not so dense. You know the US and others work with him because they have to.

    That's not an answer, because it's inaccurate for starters. I see no government "fearful" of much of anything. Nor is saying more of something is necessarily good. Aristotle preached moderation thousands of years ago. And having covered policymaking, I can tell you there is quite a lot that should be left out of the reporting.
     

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