How to prove spiritual orbs in photos?

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by wegs, Jul 23, 2013.

  1. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    And you accuse me of bias?
    Do you not see that you are already assuming that it is a human voice or a well-enunciated whisper.
    What do you do to establish that it is indeed a human voice, a whisper, rather than anything more mundane?
    Do you just poll those listening that they hear the same thing?
    And if a consensus hears something then it must be paranormal?
    Tell us the steps you go through to exclude all possible mundane explanations that then entitle you to rationally conclude that it is paranormal in cause?
     
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  3. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Magic,

    Here's something that should be taken into consideration about posed paranormal investigations looking for ghosts in old buildings.

    First off the investigators don't follow a double blind method in the sense that they aren't designated a building to investigate without someone clueing them into a posed background. For instance if they are told that there is a spirit of a girl from the 1920's, they are hardly going to see male spirits or other era's, their brains are going to be actively seeking a female spook.

    A simple test would be to send them to a house with no "ghosts" and see what they find, although it would be difficult to block them from searching online for local information to piece together some manifested backgrounding.
     
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  5. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    How would you make sure the building was ghost free?
    Have an exorcism first maybe?

    Here is an EVP seance.
    [video=youtube;gShvaSKfvVY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gShvaSKfvVY[/video]

    What makes the sounds that are like voices?
    Surely background static should just be a hissing sound.
    They will be using digital recording equipment, surely?

    If it was analogue it could be traces of old recordings,
    or sound from the other side of the tape leaking through.
    The tapes on these little machines were really thin.
    You used to get the same effect on old C90 ninety minute cassette tapes.
    You would be listening to music, and in the quiet bits you could hear backward music from the other side.

    Added later.
    According to this site, many people still prefer to use an analogue recorder, or an old digital recorder called the Panasonic RR-DR60 IC Recorder.
    http://www.ghostfinders.co.uk/evp_equipment_recording.html

    The quality of recording on that recorder is poor.

    [video=youtube;9cyz9UQedyM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cyz9UQedyM[/video]

    So.
    Rule1. It is very important to use poor quality recording equipment to attract the most spirits.
     
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  7. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Even if you could be sure that there was no pre-information on the site, there would be no way to falsify what the investigators came up with.
    So they sense a spirit in a new-build property that has had just one tennant who never died... well, some story could be concocted to explain why the perceived spirit chose that particular property to haunt. The name of the property, a link to one of the builders, or former land use etc.
    I.e. it is unfalsifiable.

    Even if a multitude of investigators all independently viewed the same property and came up with different interpretations / experiences... they are unfalsifiable.
     
  8. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    .....or haunted bricks, even.
     
  9. dumbest man on earth Real Eyes Realize Real Lies Valued Senior Member

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    "How to prove spiritual orbs in photos?"
    So , I take it that "spiritual orbs" are a proven phenomenon, that for some reason have been hard to capture on film or with CCD's.
    Has anyone asked the people that proved "unicorns" or "leprechauns" or even "nessie" in photos - I am fairly certain that they would be willing to help.
    As a last possible source - has anyone attempted to contact Hollywood?
     
  10. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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  11. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, come on now.
    Nothing could beat that last lot.
     
  12. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Buying your EVP recorder.
    Rule 2.
    Buy one with voice activation. Silence will increase the automatic gain,
    so that the first thing it records is distorted.
     
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  14. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    I actually think my radio is a great device for picking up EVP... every so often I hear the voice of someone I could have sworn was dead. And my radio, a Sony device (pah to all your Panasonic rubbish!), seems to do it quite clearly - none of this distorted, vagueness, hard to interpret rubbish either.
    I'll try to see if they can hear me next time they're in communication.
    So if anyone knows an Anthony John "Tony" Hancock, maybe I can pass on a message?
    He only seems to be in communication for a half hour at a time, though.

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  15. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Rule 3
    Keep starting and stopping the recorder. That's the way to get internal noise recorded.

    To be fair, some people are using digital equipment with microswitches rather than mechanical switches.
    The following also has 24 bit recording, which is sufficient for clear voice recording.
    http://www.syfy.com/factorfaked/tools

    I would be interested in hearing what this equipment picks up,
    and how it compares.
     
  16. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    This is a surprising turn to the thread. In a good way.

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  17. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    That guy is a good salesman.
    By the time he finished I wanted the two recorders and the camcorder too.
    Even the 5 year warranties.
     
  18. Stanley Registered Senior Member

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    We cannot fake the picture since we have no equipment to do so, he wouldn't take it seriously anyway since he is very matter of fact. In order to do so requires analog equipment and a dark room. Remember, i am so sure he knows the truth since his credentials are such that he is an EXPERT in this instance.

    Double exposure is not accurate, this is...and i think he meant - multiple exposures AND at different exposure variables.

    As for finding similar by chance or search, keep looking and inquiring amongst professional photographers and you will find those who know about this. He could also be wrong.

    I am adding a link to show something a little closer to what we see in the image in the thread:

    http://boingboing.net/2008/06/13/longexposure-shots-i.html
     
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  19. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Sometimes....hearing is believing.......

    [video=youtube;bh3kKoYM044]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh3kKoYM044[/video]
     
  20. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Any EVPs of JFK?
    I want to know the real truth about the assassination.
     
  21. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    I've heard a "voice" saying "Ooooow!"
    It was barely audible and a bit of a whisper through the static, but I guess it could have been JFK?
     
  22. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Oh my...You fellas are bad!
     
  23. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    I heard similar, but it was "Mooocow!"
    JFK is telling us that he was killed by a cow
    I knew that wasn't true about the loaned assassin.
    It was a longhorned assassin.

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    Texas Longhorns. Killing Presidents since 1963
     
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