How to get population to want war.

Discussion in 'History' started by lixluke, Dec 16, 2008.

  1. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    In September, 2001, everybody I knew wanted to attack the middle east. I knew very few people that were against this. However, this is a prime example of how people are easily manipulated.

    Nazi's used a particular tactic.
    1. A common person does not want to go to war.
    2. Those in charge who determine policy are the ones who will go to war, and drag the common people into it.
    3. It is not difficult to convince the common person to want war. Just make it seem like you are the ones being attacked. And then make them seem wrong for not wanting to fight back.


     
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  3. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    We wanted to go to war because we were in fact attacked.
     
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  5. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    "In September, 2001, everybody I knew wanted to attack the middle east. I knew very few people that were against this. However, this is a prime example of how people are easily manipulated."


    You are oversimplifying. Most people were for attacking those who were responsible for 9/11. They used Afghanistan as their home. Since the Afghan government continued to shield them, that government was attacked and overthrown. Unless you call Afghanistan part of the middle east, what you are saying is just plain wrong.

    When it came to the attack on Iraq, there was a lot of opposition. The Bush administration created a climate of concern by deceiving the American public into believing there were WMD's in Iraq, even though there were UN inspectors on the ground who hadn't found any. Among those who were opposed to the Iraq war then was our next president.
     
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  7. desi Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think most Americans really wanted to attack Iraq or Afghanistan after we found out the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. Its really a testament to how dumb most Americans are that they stood behind the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    I think in both of those cases Bush attacked without congressional permission. Congress could have pulled back the troops at any time by cutting the funding but they gave Bush his wars... Both sides of the aisle signed up for these wars. What does that tell you?
     
  8. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    The Nazis did the exact same thing as the US government did, but they did it like 70 years ago.

    Here's another quote:
    That is the exact justification we used to create homeland security. However, that quote was by Hitler when he created gestapo.
     
  9. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    Same exact thing. Eitherway, I was alone for being against it because everybody I knew and everybody around me were for it. People are pathetic stupid and totally short sighted.
     
  10. John99 Banned Banned

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    and because Hitler may have said something means what exactly?
     
  11. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    This war is a sham, and a total cash cow. It is meant to continue. Our next black president will not do shit about it. This war will continue making more and more money for the rich. All the while furthering their goals of control over that region's resources and slaves.
     
  12. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    The whole point is that we all know that America was not actually attacked by any crazy muslims. There is no debate in that. The point is that the same tactics that the Nazi's used to justify their imperialistic conquest is the exact same thing USA did. Attack yourself. Blame some enemy. Then watch as the population not only allows you to go to war, but begs you to.
     
  13. John99 Banned Banned

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    yeah, attack yourself.

    What is so good about going to war? The economy worldwide is down and rich people always make money but they make more money when the economy is good. That is an old wives tale due to the fact that during WW2 so many advancements were developed out of necessity.
     
  14. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    Control and making more money. Countless benefits for those in power. More money and power basically over other regions basically.

    And the next black person in office is not going to end the war. The point is to create a war that can never have an ending so that money can keep flowing in. Perpetual war was the intent from the beginning. It always is. Hitler didn't succeed in WW2. USA is succeeding now where Hitler failed. Who knows who will stop the USA.
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    “Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.”
     
  16. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    I don't care if Hitler said it, sometimes your country really is attacked, like Hitler attacked England. Should the English not have gone to war against Germany?

    I agree that Bush and Co. used nazi-like tactics to go to invade a country that didn't attack us, but there was also a group called the Taliban in Afghanistan that shared the blame in the 9/11 attacks. It was justified to do something about that.

    You say that you were opposed because many were for it? Are you just a contrarian? Or did you know at the time that American politicians had conspired to murder their constituents?
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Have they ever actually given any evidence for any of these claims? Because when the Taliban asked them, over and over, they refused to do so.

    I've personally never seen any evidentiary link for all the so-called reasons for either the Iraq or Afghanistan invasion. Besides, what does it say when the mindset of war is considered superior to the application of law?

    Now you have the Afghan revolutionary forces that will carry out terrorist attacks around the world.
     
  18. John99 Banned Banned

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    Well it is obvious that you are not a fighter, that is what Hitler hoped for. You are not a fighter so you blame other people because they have more initiative to acquire wealth. Becoming wealthy is like anything else, there is no mystery to it and it is just what some people are into.

    Personally i am what is considered poor but that is because i never had the fire in me to become rich and i dont think yo do either but you cannot fault those who do and its these people who also bring innovations. You like to reap the rewards but you dont want to work for it. No one is going to hand you money just because you exist, sure you can live off welfare but...:shrug:

    So who's fault is all your problems? The answer you will find is when you look in the mirror.
     
  19. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    During the first 2 weeks of 911, I was completely opposed because I have intuition about truth and foresight. I wasn't sure if the stories about muslims being behind the collapse were true. But I was 100% sure that us attacking them is not the correct method of dealing with a terrorist attack. It is completely absurd.

    If anybody outside of our country actually declared war on us, and invaded our lands. We defend, and attack their lands. That is one thing. But if some Muslim organization operating within our country was responsible, I dound it blatantly absurd for us to invade the middle east. War means invading. An attack like that means investigation. You investigate the organization behind it, take it down, and capture those responsible. That was my WHOLE argument against the idiots that wanted to invade.

    As time went by, we learn that no terrorist organization claimed responsibility for 911. We found out that USA never investigated in the slightest to find out who was responsible. They simply proclaimed Taliban without any facts or evidence to support these claims. And as time goes by, you come to realize that it is all a load of nonsese. The government simply said "Look people. We got attacked. I guess that means we should go in and invade these people."

    And the whole entire thing turned out to be a complete disaster. Moron Americans asked for it, and they got it. Now years later, they are left dumfounded about what is going on with the war and the economy today. USA was never invaded we can agree on that. If, however, you think that USA was victim of a terrorist attack, I would definitely disagree. There was no terrorist attack. USA attacked itself to justify war to the public. Just like Hitler did. Even if was indeed a real terrorist attack, it was definitely not an war invasion in the same sense Hitler invated England.
     
  20. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    What a load of total garbage. The rich are the enemy. They do not provide innovation in the slightest. They take innovation. The suppress innovation. All they do is consume consume consume. Thereby destroying everybody and everything around them. I don't consider myself a fighter. Scientist maybe. Philosopher. Performing artist. Leader. Designer. etc. Not a soldier. I have a mind. I know how to strategize. I know how to communicated. I know how to facilitiate and manage. I know how to innovate. Yet the system would want to place me in the workforce as a grunt? Get real. We live in a system of total inefficiency. I did not create this system. Nor am I perpetuating it. It is a system created by incompetents, and perpetuated by incompetents. And the rest are victims of such incompetence. So who is at fault? Certainly not the victim.
     
  21. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Osama claims responsibility for 9/11

    Bin Laden claims responsibility for 9/11

    Osama bin Laden, then considered by the US State Department "one of the most significant sponsors of Islamic terrorist groups worldwide," outlined the objectives of a new group he had formed in concert with previously competing Egyptian terrorist leaders and others, called the

    International Islamic Front for Jihad Against the Jews and Crusaders. As the "press conference" in Khost, Afghanistan wound up, bin Laden observed that the Americans were "very easy targets." He told the journalists, "You will see the results of this in a very short time."
     
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  22. John99 Banned Banned

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    you are a simpleton. when you get rushed to the hospital and need cutting edge technology to stay alive see how nonchalant and ignorant you really are.

    fools man, just a dumb as doorknobs.
     
  23. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    I always wanted proof positive that Iraq had those weapons of mass destruction. Our lying President told us he had the pictures and places that those weapons were stored and they were going to be used soon on other countries around Iraq as well as other nations abroad. We all know now that he lied only to get a war started to make money for the arms dealers. Why didn't Congress send in more inspectors or review the pictures they had already attained when the inspectors were there before? That means Congress went along with the President and they lied to us as well. They are all in on the big money grab just like what is going on now with this so called "bail out" wgiuch isn't needed.

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