How many people die as virgins?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Enoc, Oct 10, 2011.

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  1. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

    How old are you? and WHERE are you?

    Your comments are shear idiocy. Sexual activity and pleasure ARE self defence, and i have showed you why with actual scientific studies. You counter with idiocy with no basis in reality.
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Hmm. What category would you put an avid cyclist in? It's (somewhat) risky, he has fun doing it - and it has big benefits in terms of health. Is that the "pursuit of pleasure?" Or defense against heart disease?

    In many cases (as in cycling) it is both.

    While I agree that you have to make that tradeoff, I'm also a skydiving instructor, so I probably use a different risk/reward analysis than most.

    It is acting against what is natural; sex is something mammalian species are programmed for. "Objective" doesn't really have any meaning in that context.

    But again, there's nothing wrong with that. There are people who have themselves sterilized and then have sex, people who use toys during sex, people who avoid sex altogether etc etc. And while those things might not be natural there's also nothing wrong with them as long as it's between consenting adults.

    I get the feeling that this is pretty personal for you. Have you been ostracized as a result of a decision not to have sex? If so I am sorry to hear that; that's unfair, and is a decision that you alone should make. If other people don't like it - too bad. It's your life, not theirs.
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  5. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

    So if a woman is not willing to suffer the side-effects of hormonal contraceptives, abortions or bear unwanted children,
    she is acting against what is natural -?

    Just look at Asguard here.

    Other than that, I just want to understand what kind of reasoning gets people to find it acceptable to suffer the side-effects of hormonal contraceptives, to have abortions or bear unwanted children.
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  7. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

    Well...Are women less visual?

    I don't seem to think like a standard woman. Observed by other people before admitted to myself.

    So, paraphrasing...You said if the man sees someone he finds attractive, and he gets an erection, then you have visual confirmation of both libido and basic erectile function (sperm are another story). So...I get erections, they are just less visually apparent.

    My wife lets me look. She reserves the right to snicker at me though. We used to live in a place with a park right up the middle of the street...jogging trail...all sorts of fit, attractive...lightly-dressed people running on the trail.
    Ground floor apartment, excellent view...

    My wife often had reason to snicker. Especially once when my left turn was delayed not by traffic but by a really hot guy running towards us...I just kinda sat there, gobsmacked at the shirtless pectoral awesomeness, until my wife asked me if she could wipe the drool off.
  8. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

    ah yes, the christian nutjob responce, if people dont accept what you say without proof then you are being opressed. You do realise i could care less how much YOU have sex, my problem with your idocy is that you think this:

    is counter proof to scientific studies i posted in this:
    on a science site (notice it doesnt say "human superstitions" at the top of this page, it says "human SCIENCE")

    Its exactly the same as the idiot creationists who think that if people call bullshit on there stupidity being taught in schools at the same level as an established scientific theory then they are being opressed

    The health benifits of sex for relationships, physical health (of BOTH genders) and mental health (again of BOTH genders) are well established. You chose not to pertake in them thats your choice, its when you start pushing your idiocy on others that you leave yourself open to ridicule
  9. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

    as a general rule women are surposed to be less visual but that isnt the only reason why viagra sometimes (not in all cases) improves labido in men but not women. Its that in general male arousal is much more ovious than in women for instance you can feel it pushing against your pants, see it, your partner can see it (sometimes even WITH pants

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    ) and reacts and the assumption in the mind is made that "im aroused therefore i must be horny". This doesnt work for everyone and it definitly doesnt work in ALL situations (for instance the errection caused by spinal injury and Myocardial infarct is unlikly to be mestaken for hornyness because its quite painful for 1 thing) but it is an easy shortcut for doctors to try. Its also quite lazy if thats the only treatment used for lack of labido because there are generally psycological reasons behind the lack of labido which need to be worked though.
  10. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

    What happens in my pants does stay in my pants.
    It's too bad carrying purses became a females-only would be great to have a manpurse to hold in your lap in public sometimes, wouldn't it?

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  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Well, hormonal contraceptives are not natural; neither is abstinence. The most natural state of mammals is to engage in sex and reproduce. We have all the programming, hormonal drives and equipment to encourage such behavior, and indeed our species would die without it.

    But again, just because it's natural doesn't mean you have to do it.

    Love. The desire for children. The desire for intimacy, pleasure and fun. There are lots of reasons. They are as valid as your reasons to not do it.
  12. NietzscheHimself Banned Banned

    How many people give up and have sex with dead bodies?
  13. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

    If it is "natural," then yes, it is obligatory.

    You are not being consistent then.
  14. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

    I don't NEED sex to make me happy. Sex makes me happy, but I don't need it to be happy.
  15. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member


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    There is something wrong with you! You need to have your programming fixed!

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  16. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

    you've changed a bit from when you proposed that every married person should try to have sex every day for a month in order to improve intimacy and there relationship generally
  17. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

    It depends how accurate her perception is and if she actually said no. We can all make things up in our heads for justification that might not be accurate. :shrug:
    We have to accept some social conventions dictate we rarely stop to say "do you consent to sex?" so we have to deal with things realistically.
    I knew a few girls who claimed it was rape because they hadn't said yes, though admitted they were never asked the question or said no - in fact they actively sexually encouraged the guy. Hey sometimes we're all ashamed of what we wake up next to, doesn't make it rape. :shrug:
    Besides, why rape when it's easier to obtain sex by false pretences?
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Exercise is natural. It is not obligatory.
    Childbirth is natural. It is not obligatory.
    Play in children is natural. It is not obligatory.
    Sex is natural. It is not obligatory.

    So far you have asked the same question about a dozen times. I (and several others) have answered it the same way each time - sex is natural, it's your choice, there are some health benefits and some health risks.

    Yet you keep asking it. I can only assume that you are hoping for a different answer, one that reinforces your beliefs. If that's what you want, a science board is a bad place to try it, because you will tend to get answers that are correct, rather than answers that reinforce what you want to believe.

    In any case, that's a bad way to live your life, IMO. If you don't want to have sex, say "I don't want to have sex." Period, end of story. You do not have to justify your decision to anyone. Indeed, if you _do_ try to justify your decision with some pseudoscientific argument, it makes it appear that you cannot make that decision on your own, and need some other sort of outside support to justify your actions.

    You see this in a lot of places in the outside world. The smoker who says "my grandpa smoked a pack a day for his entire life and lived to age 90! Surgeon general my ass." The alcoholic who sees that study that says a glass of red wine a day is good for you, and so argues "See? Drinking is _healthy!_" Both are examples of people misusing the science to try to come up with a justification for their actions, where a much more honest answer would be "I just want to smoke."

    So if I were you I'd concentrate more on what YOU want. Decide what you want and then do it, and leave the pseudoscience to the people in the pseudoscience forum. I think you'd be happier that way.
  19. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

    Ad hominem.

    Further, nobody here has addressed my question in the detail I am seeking.
    Instead, you revert to ad hominems.


    If things would really be like that - choice left to the individual -, then all science, philosophy, law, theology etc. etc. would be redundant and nobody would have to care about them. There would be no norms, no standards, no right, no wrong.

    You, along with many others, seem to believe it is taboo to investigate the possible motivations for sex and the belief and value systems those motivations are part of.

    Your analysis so far is superficial and evasive.
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

    ?? Why are you conflating personal choice and science? They are not even in the same realms. You can choose to exercise or not; you are not constrained in that decision by what science says about it, although you may choose to be informed by science when you make that decision.

    Again, the only person who has to be OK with your decisions on sex (or exercise, or childen) is you.

    Not at all. Indeed, much of this discussion has been concerning the health benefits and risks of sex, and how they inform your choices. Thus far you are the only one who seems unhappy with such discussions, especially when people disagree with the stated bases of your choices.
  21. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

    I'll be one of them lols

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  22. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

    In my observation, people are answering your question to the best of their understanding.

    I can only answer that question from my own experience, and I prefer to examine the motivation first.

    For the record, I am female, hetero, and lost my virginity at the age of 17 to a young Christian man, whose father was a minister. I was involved in the Anglican church bible study group about that time in life. We had met at summer bible camp, been penpals for a couple of years and then he spent a year in the small town where I was living. He also was a horseman, and I am passionate about horses.

    What were my motivations to have sex?

    The guy was tall, dark and handsome and only a few years older than myself.

    We had spent time together through church related activity.

    He was very good with horses.

    He reciprocated my feelings.

    I was at the age where hormones had kicked in.

    We were at the stage of talking marriage.

    Our adult support group was aware of our attraction and intentions and seemed to approve of such a union.

    So we tested the waters prior to nuptials.

    Soon thereafter, I learned that he had been doing likewise with a slightly more mature female friend.

    Broken hearted.....yata, yata.....I'll spare you the details.

    Got sent south to secondary school 1000 miles away, there being no other available education at that time. A year later, guess who shows up working just 50 miles away?

    I forgave him. We picked up where we had left off, met his Mother, chose a ring and set the date. Two weeks before we were to get hitched, he calls to tell me that he has gotten one of his female co-workers with child.

    End of story, almost.....

    About a decade later, he phoned to apologize for being such a jerk.

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    Don't know if that's of any help, Signal, but it's the best I can give you for my motivations to have sex that first time around.

    As for the fellows, I expect that some of you will be tittering that I was so gullible while others might be shaking their head figuring he's giving all the decent blokes a bad name.
  23. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

    When it come to learning about life you've got to start somewhere. In my opinion a willingness to be wrong is what lets you do almost anything for the first time. But if you hardly ever get it right, why keep trying.
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