How is change possible?

nothing has NO possibility of being other than what it is in relation to reality , the big picture , Universe

if nothing becomes something else other than what it is , then nothing was not nothing in the first place

understand what I'm saying ?

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But who said nothing becomes something the claim is something coming from nothing.

 

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I knew that the Creationist whackos were hiding in that "change" question somewhere.

“ Originally Posted by wynn
There are people who claim that at first there was nothing, and then out of this nothing, everything, the whole Universe and we came to be, via evolution. ”

No evolutionary biologist I know, and I know many hundreds personally, has ever thought that the whole universe came to be by evolution. That is the classic Creationist idiotic definition of evolution, which they have been told dozens of times is untrue - yet they are the only ones spouting it.

Whether the Universe originally came from nothing via the Big Bang is an open question in Physics, but it has nothing to do with evolution in general, or the evolution of the human species in particular. So the whole "something from nothing" whining by the Creationists is a Red Herring.

Rich

 

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think (post #61 )

 

How do you know?

 

Change has to do with energy and entropy. For example, say we had two wooden water towers. One tower is empty and the other full of water. From the outside both look the same. Since the water will create pressure (energy) that is greater than the empty tank, this will provide additional energy for possible entropy (change). There may be seepage, stress cracks, leaks, etc., any of which will result in change.

Another example, would be food. If we freeze the food, we take away energy and thereby take away the energy for change or entropy. If we place it at room temperature, change begins such as food spoilage. If we add a lot of energy, such as cooking, all types of change is possible.

The brain works the same way. Rest neurons are actually at highest potential energy, due to the energy needed to exchange cations and create the membrane potential. This sets up a situation similar to the tank with water, making change likely. Long term memory is a little more chilled than short term memory.

If you look at social change, when people become energized there is more potential for change, compared to all chilled out. The Tea Party had more energy that the Wall Street Occupiers, in terms of numbers. The total energy was higher leading to change (entropy).

 

You said "Since physical reality takes precedence over philosophical reality". I am asking you to qualify that statement and pointing out that any physical science is wedded to philosophy and metaphysics in some way.

Fair enough. And how would you define "philosophical reality"?

And why do you think physical reality takes precedence over philosophical reality according to your definitions?

 

It's quite simple: regardless of what conclusions one comes to philosophically the actuality, if different, over-rides the musings.

 

because nothing is absolutely without the fundamental properties or qualities of something

 

What kind of conclusions are arrived at philosophically?

 

And?

 

Something = anything and everything in this case.

 

If different? Oh please be honest, do you really think any thought pertains to anything other than reality?

Oh please. Be honest, do you think no thought pertains to nothing other than reality?

 

This above is a statement that requires some kind of philosophy to be made.

 

Nope.

Pardon?
How much do thoughts of fairies and unicorns pertain to reality?

And?

 

So much for you idea that reality precedes or trumps philosophy.

 

How hard is it to splice a midget and a bird together? Or make a horse grow a horn like a rhino?

We might not know how but they could exist in the future.

 

“ Originally Posted by river

therefore nothing , is well , nothing and can't change into anything or something at all , ever

 

Repeating the same argument doesn't exactly substantiate it.

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Keep trying.

Really?
Isn't reality what it is regardless of what I consider it to be?

 

No, since you are part of it. Thus it cannot be that you could consistently consider reality to be something it is not. You may make particular statements about it that are inaccurate, but since you are part of reality, your statements about reality always reflect reality in some way or other.