How do we find the ''best'' explanation?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by wegs, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    If you're looking for left-leaning media, check out the Los Angeles Times, the San Francisco Chronicle or the Washington Post.
     
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  3. river

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    1) is the Universe just about the mechanics of the globular center and suns , planets , moons etc. and their interactions , is that all there is to the Universe ? not to me .

    2) go to question 1

    3) life energy

    4) I don't
     
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  5. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    Trump is not a professional politician. Therefore, he does not behave like the rest of the political class.

    As an analogy, Trump is analogous to a nonunion worker, who has been hired to work in an all union shop. A nonunion worker will not be treated the same, by the union members, unless he agrees to join the union. At first, the union members will try to recruit him. They will tell the new guy how the union can be very useful. It can use collective bargaining to get higher wages and benefits, compared to what everyone might get in the free market. The Union can also makes it hard to fire anyone, and it can define new job classes, between old job classes, so you need more workers than necessary. It allows politicians to spend half their time, doing personal business; fund raising, while being paid by the job. The result is built in inefficiency.

    A nonunion guy, who does not wish to join the union, makes all these things obvious, due to the contrast of their styles. The nonunion worker may work too hard and make the rest look lazy. He may do his job, spanning two union job titles, making it obvious one guy can do the job defined for two. He will need to be converted to the union way, to remove the contrast. If he refuses to join, he will be hazed, until he joins or until he quits.

    Trump is not a union analogy politician, where you can use the IRS to shake down private citizens, and not lose your job. You can run the VA in a corrupt way and you can't fire anyone. You can have agencies not share information, so they can each have extra workers; redundancy. Trump calls this political union mentality the swamp. Trump does not wish to be part of the swamp. He is being hazed by the union politicians, on both sides, who seek to protect their way of life and remove the contrast.

    The Wikileaks shows the unhealthy alliance between a large number of media people and the Clinton campaign. This connection of the media is more than likely true for both political parties. It is not hard to get your allies in the media, to write propaganda haze pieces against Trump. These hit pieces will appeal to those who wish to believe, the worse about Trump, so the nonunion guy converts or leaves.

    The way I look at Trump, is not via the media propaganda and union politicians for both parties, since both are part of the swamp. Rather I judge Trump based on watching one or more of his rallies. He draws large crowds, no matter where is goes. In his rallies, he is a different person from the media hazing. Trump is only nasty to his enemies. He is very caring to his allies. He does not want to join the union swamp since the swamp needs draining.
     
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  7. PhysBang Valued Senior Member

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    So? He is clearly racist, bigoted against Muslims, and misogynistic. To you, these are all things to like and admire. To most the people of the USA, this is horrible.

    You continue to try to get people to overlook the horrible nature of Trump by diverting attention. Just like you try to get people to overlook the current racism in the Republican party in general by talking about the distant past before the vast majority of overt racists left the Democratic party for the Republican party. You know that you are trying to deceive people, some of us know, too.
    This analogy is entirely apt: you think that politicians should be able to be elected while being racist, bigoted against certain religions, and horribly sexist and you are upset that Trump is not getting the same pass that you see other Republican politicians getting. You also think that people who work for a living are really awful people and you don't like the "inefficiency" that they might have job security.

    Yeah, unions are an inefficiency in managing a company. But they also produce workers that are, on average, more productive. They also produce a host of other good outcomes for the majority of people, without having to tax for those benefits.

    It is a nice myth that unionized workers are lazy, but it is just a stereotype that does not fit the facts.
    Yeah, he should join. This should be mandated by law. Not because he makes people look bad, because, in this case, he is bad.

    Please produce one example of this ever happening.
    Really? You think that nobody in the VA is ever fired?
    Like the CIA, FBI, and other agencies under George Bush? And what is wrong with redundancy? Ask NASA about redundancy.

    Trump is being rejected by Republican politicians on the basis of the facts of his character, which he amply demonstrates. The people of the USA, including a sizable minority of Republican voters, are not racists and misogynists.

    Do you think that the video tape recording of Trump saying all those things about assaulting women is "propaganda"? Do you think that when he defended himself against charges that he assaulted these women on the basis of their looks was "propaganda" from someone else? Do you think that when he lied about that, on a Nationally televised debate, this was "propaganda" from someone else? Do you think that when he said that he wanted to ban all Muslims from entering the USA, that this was "propaganda" from someone else?

    We could go on, but you never actually address direct questions, you merely cut and paste standard responses from racist and sexist media.
     
  8. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    In reading through the comments here, and in thinking about this further, do you think it's wise to simply say ''we don't know,'' instead of choosing the ''best'' answer out of a small set of plausible answers? The best answer sometimes isn't the right answer, and if one feels that there still could be a more likely answer as time goes on, would it be more ethical to simply state ''we don't know.'' Or the answer is ''unknown?'' Or does that seem too intellectually lazy?
     
  9. PhysBang Valued Senior Member

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    Sometimes this is the right thing to do. Often, probably.

    But there are cases where this is not something that we can do, since there are consequences to our actions or inaction.
     
  10. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I'd agree, and what comes to mind is by saying ''we don't know'' too often, it might come across as ''inaction,'' or laziness. Sometimes, a leap of faith is required, even in science.
     
  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    He behaves very badly. Who is he behaving like?

    Oh yeah - guys who act like this:
    Never elect anyone who acts like that to be your head of State, would be the lesson of history.
     
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    A third alternative, often easier when pressured to choose in ignorance, would be to reject the worst rather than trying to select the best. Same way you deal with a multiple choice test when you don't know the answer - screen out the obviously bad or unlikely, flip a coin among the rest.
     
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  13. river

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    Wise
     
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  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The Washington Post is a solidly right-leaning newspaper, and has been for many years now. It has been described by even mildly liberal pundits - such as Chris Mathews - as a neo-con mouthpiece. The description is a fair one, at least since it began cheerleading for the Iraq War and endorsing Republican Congressmen in the early 2000s. Its purchase by Jeff Bezos in 2013 was merely the last shovel of dirt in the burial of its "left-leaning" status, although while remaining right-leaning it may be improved in some ways - in the cheerleading for war line, or endorsing wingnuts habit, say.
     
  15. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Politics in the philosophy section, gentlemen? lol Tsk tsk.

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  16. Sam Poole Registered Member

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    I love this question. There are in my mind two forms of knowledge that I can communicate. Knowledge of and knowledge about. Knowledge about is pertinent to your question. We want to know the answer pertaining to some question "about" something.

    Correct isn't equal to best and we don't often have a complete set of all possible answers so working with the ones we know about is all that can be done. From this we can find what we think is the best answer but it may not be.

    Answers come in various varieties: multiple correct, one correct, somewhat correct, dynamic, useful, false but true later, true but false later, true or false depending on the context, nonexistent, unknown, factual, imperceptible, badly communicated, too complex to be communicated well, too abstract to be knowledge, biased, agenda driven or strategic, impactful, unsubstantiated, unverified, hoax or joke, and so on. So we see that not all answers lead to knowledge.

    Answers come from many places such as yourself, others, computers, animals, nature, mathematics, logic, intuition, clarity through process of inquiry and testing, and so on. Using a hammer to trim your toenails isn't the best way of going about the task and so may lead to unpleasant results. In the same way, attempting to obtain knowledge of mathematics by studying the behavior of dogs is not utilizing the best source of information. So we see that not all sources are as conducive to knowledge as the others.

    The context of the case at hand and being very precise when forming the question is key to the answer obtained. Using the right sources and scrutinizing the nature and content of the answers being provided can give insight into which answers have a greater chance of being correct or at least better than another.

    When considering answers it is critical that the answer be substantial in and of itself and that it doesn't refer to something cultural or personal or emotional. Above all, be true to yourself. (paraphrasing Shakespeare) I take this to mean that we should endeavor to tell the truth to ourselves above all else.

    Science and philosophy is about expanding our knowledge. Certainty is hard to find anywhere, especially in science.
     
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  17. TheFrogger Registered Senior Member

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    Mr Nice in abundance...

    Ahhh, Sam Poole. Logic. My favourite subject.
     
  18. socratus Registered Member

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    It is hard to find ''the best explanation'' because we don't accept facts.
    For example.
    Fact.
    The detected material masses of the matter ( + dark matter and + dark energy)
    in the Universe is so small (the average density of all substance in the Universe
    is approximately p=10^-30 g/sm^3) that it cannot ‘close’ the Universe into sphere
    and therefore the Universe as whole is an ‘open’, an endless , an infinite flat continuum.
    Fact.
    Gravity-masses create stars, planets . . .etc.
    But these masses are very few ( only 5% ) in the universe and therefore
    theory of gravity is true only for local region.
    #
    Why Facts Don’t Change Our Minds
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/02/27/why-facts-dont-change-our-minds
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    My opinion.
    A brain-computer works according to some programs.
    These programs were put in our brains by parents, schools, people that
    we are respect, educations and a culture of societies.
    This brain-computer doesn't accept new fact because
    it is hard for brain-computer to change old program on a new one . . .
    . . . as you know '' the old habits is hard to change '' and this old
    habits are also some brain programs.
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    '' A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents
    and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
    eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.''
    / Max Planck /
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  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Then you may find this presentation enlightening. I found it utterly fascinating.
    One of my strongly held beliefs is the philosophy that one universal imperatives is "movement in the direction of greatest satisfaction". I am using the word "satisfaction" from an abstract perspective of being in the most "orderly state".

    I recommend this clip. It opened my eyes to an entirely new perspective of non-intelligent "sentience".

    Please check it out:
     
  20. river

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    The best one , the best explanation , is always the explanation given by those who are geniuses and then questioned , challenged .
     
  21. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    suicidal tendencies of absolutism
    pre-programmed zealots seeking fermented factualism
    freedom from knowing that not all is known
    is it good to be groupy
    what is it not to beleive
    which way does the wind blow in a storm
     
  22. river

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    Logic proves the reason .

    Logic is the consequence of reason .
     
  23. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    But, not everyone is a genius, that doesn't mean their explanations lack validity. However, they should be challenged, and tested.
     

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