How Deep is your Voice?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by S.A.M., Sep 26, 2007.

  1. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    In general the size of the vocal system has strong influence of the dominate frequencies. Smaller chambers have higher natural resonate frequencies. Young child or small person will thus tend to have higher pitched voices.

    If OP is correct, that deep voiced men have more off springs, it very likely that is mainly due to they tend to be bigger and more powerful (and many other aspects attractive to women such as average salaries have positive correlations to height)

    In many species of animals that live in semi stable groups, being the biggest /strongest male, gives nearly exclusive access to the females when they are fertile.
     
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    Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons...Sherry baby...Big Girls Dont Cry.
     
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  5. seagypsy Banned Banned

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    In my husband's case he has simply controlled himself better than some and resisted natural urges more often than not. I on the other hand got spayed after my 4th child. Technically, Pakistani people are not Middle Eastern, they are Asian but that and American women's perceived fascination with exotic men is a subject for another thread.

    The matching term for the men being "baby daddy".

    I read somewhere a very long time ago, or maybe I am confusing a scene from Star Trek The Voyage Home.... anyway, I have, at least been under the impression that whale "song" is often used to communicate as you said but is kind of like the songs sang by slaves and abolitionists in the deep south during slavery. Whales can hear each others songs and know where to find good hunting grounds or know how to avoid dangers such as humans hunting for whales just like slaves could hear the songs and from the lyrics discern their way through unfamiliar landscapes and find the safe path north along the underground railroad.

    So singing is necessary for their survival but it may not necessarily be a mating requirement. But I would think that females would choose mates who have "louder" calls because the further away they can be heard the better. But that is just speculation on my part.


    here are some links about related topics.

    newscientist.com/article/dn8886-whale-song-reveals-sophisticated-language-skills.html

    animal.discovery.com/news/briefs/20060327/whalesong.html

    dolphin-institute.org/resource_guide/animal_language.htm

    speakdolphin.com/home.cfm
     
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  7. Epictetus here & now Registered Senior Member

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    It's occurred to me that all music is ultimately a lament. Even happy songs, if you listen to them have a 'note' of sadness in them somehow. So your observation that slaves' songs resemble whale songs, which have always struck me as sounding sad and lonely, is not surprising at all.
     
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    I didn't mean to imply that whale song resembled slave song, but I understand what you are saying to an extent.That could start a new thread maybe. However, I meant only to suggest that the songs served a purpose other than entertainment, idle chatter or even mating calls, making the songs vital to the survival of a group. So one could maybe deduce that a female of the group would prefer a male with vocal talent in order to protect the future of the group.
     
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    Almost all of the major languages of Pakistan are in the Indo-European family. (Brahui, a Dravidian language, seems to be the major exception.) This implies (although not with 100% certainty) that most of the people of Pakistan are of Indo-European ancestry, specifically from the Indo-Iranian tribes. (Since Pashto is one of the major languages of the country they can't be neatly pigeonholed as all Indic.)

    While the urheimat of the Proto-Indo-Europeans was the Pontic Steppe, which is in Asia, the Indo-European tribes and their cultures are not generally called "Asian." When we say "Asian" in the context of the Middle East, we're talking about people whose ancestors were Mongols and who speak Mongolic languages, e.g., the Turks, Kazakhs, Uighurs, Kyrghyz, Azeri, Uzbeks, etc. (The origin of the Dravidians has not yet been identified and their language group has no known relatives anywhere.)
    As I have noted in other discussions, humans seem programmed to be attracted to people who are obviously not closely related. This is a way of mitigating the effects of inbreeding in a pack-social species. Gorillas are just the opposite and mate with their own parents and grandparents. They are so inbred that two skulls collected a couple of hundred miles apart look like they must be two different species of primate.
    Makes perfect linguistic sense, although I've never heard that one.
    This varies tremendously from species to species. You can't lump all cetaceans together. Many (if not all) dolphin species share a rather rare trait that humans and chimpanzees also have: their females are physically capable of copulation outside of their estrus cycle. This allows them to use intercourse for other purposes than breeding. Dolphin females are not at all monogamous and will mate with virtually any male who's interested. It's a way of reinforcing the social bonding among the pod-mates. Nonetheless there is apparently some way for a male to fall out of favor, since rape has been observed in a couple of dolphin pods. In a three-dimensional milieu it takes four males to corner a female.

    (Chimpanzees also use it for social bonding, especially bonobos, whom primatologists call the free-lovin' hippies of the jungle and who engage in sexual activities that would make Hugh Hefner blush. In our species, it's been argued that this trait allows a woman to keep her children's father at home even when she's pregnant, nursing, or simply off her cycle. This is a monumentally important behavior pattern in a species whose young have the longest maturation period of any animal, longer even than whales and elephants.)
     
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  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Ever since I noticed that the double-honk of Canadian geese is a call and response from a flying pair, and the male's voice is the deeper of them (despite similarity in size etc), I've been looking for examples of pair bonding vocal animals - any kind, birds, frogs, whatever - in which the female had a lower pitched call.

    The only one even possible so far was a pair of towhees I listened to while they were scratching around a woodlot - they were doing the usual keeping track of each other by short call that a lot of birds do, and I think the male's voice was higher pitched. But I'm not sure.

    Even hawks, where the male is significantly smaller, seem to follow the patter of deeper voice in the male - again, if someone actually knows and can correct me on this, feel free.
     

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