How Can real energy 'permeate space-time', when space-time is just maths construct?

I am a explaining what occurs physically in nature. If you choose to remain ignorant of understanding what occurs physically in nature in a physics forum then that is your choice.

'Galactic Pile-Up May Point to Mysterious New Dark Force in the Universe'
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/01/musket-ball-dark-force/

"The reason this is strange is that dark matter is thought to barely interact with itself. The dark matter should just coast through itself and move at the same speed as the hardly interacting galaxies. Instead, it looks like the dark matter is crashing into something — perhaps itself – and slowing down faster than the galaxies are. But this would require the dark matter to be able to interact with itself in a completely new an unexpected way, a “dark force” that affects only dark matter."

It's not a new force. It's the aether displaced by each of the galaxy clusters interacting analogous to the bow waves of two boats which pass by each other.

 

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No, you are blathering about your fantasy.

If you want to claim that aether causes the behavior of the bullet cluster, then you have to discuss the actual measurements of the bullet cluster. That's science.

 

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Say space breaks down at the Planck length. This breakdown would create discontinuities within the continuum of space.

If we treat space like the packing of balls at the Planck length, square packing is 78% effective, while hexagonal packing is 91% effective, with 22% and 9% void left, respectively. What is being attributed to dark matter could be explained as a transition of hexagonal to square packing, thereby excluding matter.

This would be more of an aether type displacement into itself or out of itself.

 

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I'm not sure that is true, but even if we assume it is:

So because two is impossible, you suggest a third? Logic, much? Anyway:

As you have acknowledged, that interpretation is not held by modern/mainstream physicists. So given a choice, I can't imagine why you would expect anyone here to accept it. Worse, I'm quite certain if you actually tried to apply it, you'd find it contradicts reality. Specifically, if there was such an aether, a Michelson Morley type experiment could find it.

1. Why should anyone believe that when you acknowledge you are not aligned with the mainstream?
2. Why should anyone believe that when you offer no math or testable experimental predictions in favor of your idea?

Handwaving. If you can't provide a mathematical description and an experiment to test it, what you are saying has no value. It has about as much veracity as saying that it isn't a new force, it is billions of tiny faries pushing on the galaxy.

 

Me too. And this is the worst kind because it tries to drag down real physics by turning it into bad philosophy.

The SR and GR time dilation formulas can be used to predict the behavior of real clocks. Science doesn't get any more rubber-meets-the-road real than that.

Right. He casts a wide net, which would catch him in his own pseudophilosophobabble if he ever tried to apply it to himself. But that's not what this is about: he's here to tear-down, not to build.

The idea that everything spoken of or written down isn't the real thing being discussed is pointless and it doesn't change the fact that what is being discussed is real. Example:

Say you want to build a house. You hire an architect, who makes a drawing. Insofar as the drawing is just a drawing and the house does not exist, it is abstract. But then you build the house, based on the drawing. Every point on the drawing now corresponds to a real point on the house. Is the drawing still abstract? If one wants to use the-so-broad-as-to-be-useless definition, I suppose it is. But that view has no value. The house is real and the drawing enabled you to build it. Calling it "abstract" doesn't change the fact that the drawing is an accurate representation of a real thing.

 

It is held by modern physics, just not modern/mainstream physics.

'New 'Double Slit' Experiment Skirts Uncertainty Principle'
http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-slit-experiment-skirts-uncertainty-principle

"Intriguingly, the trajectories closely match those predicted by an unconventional interpretation of quantum mechanics known as pilot-wave theory, in which each particle has a well-defined trajectory that takes it through one slit while the associated wave passes through both slits."

'Team 'sneaks around' quantum rule'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13626587

"For his part, Professor Steinberg believes that the result reduces a limitation not on quantum physics but on physicists themselves. "I feel like we're starting to pull back a veil on what nature really is," he said. "The trouble with quantum mechanics is that while we've learned to calculate the outcomes of all sorts of experiments, we've lost much of our ability to describe what is really happening in any natural language. I think that this has really hampered our ability to make progress, to come up with new ideas and see intuitively how new systems ought to behave."

Seeing intuitively how a double slit experiment behaves is understanding the particle always travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

'Physics World reveals its top 10 breakthroughs for 2011 - 1st place: Shifting the morals of quantum measurement'
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article...rld-reveals-its-top-10-breakthroughs-for-2011

"Steinberg's work stood out because it challenges the widely held notion that quantum mechanics forbids us any knowledge of the paths taken by individual photons as they travel through two closely spaced slits to create an interference pattern."

 

Right: so again, no reason anyone should put any stock in what you are saying.

Note: your links are not about your idea. It is dishonest of you to post them as if to imply they are.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_wave#History

"Yves Couder and co-workers recently discovered a macroscopic pilot wave system in the form of walking droplets. This system exhibits behaviour of a pilot wave, heretofore considered to be reserved to microscopic phenomena."

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. What waves in a double slit experiment is the aether.

 

You can take a boat that will pass under one of two bridges with the wake going through both or more than two. The boat is the particle and the wake is the wave. Two boats moving together will make a larger wake and be easier to see.

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If we assume the speed of light is the ground state of the universe, as inferred by net mass/matter converting to energy via the four forces in our universe, this is easy to explain using basic reference considerations.

If we were on a speed of light reference (the ground state) the entire universe would appear like a point-instant. Since a point is the smallest mathematical size and all inertial references of the universe are encompassed by this one point, the speed of light appears constant in all frames, since all frames of the universe overlap into one point at C.

If we move any fractional distance, across the entire universe (such as photon wavelength), this would amount to moving less than a point distance in the speed of light reference. This is not a valid observation within the C reference, since a point is the smallest unit. Only infinite wavelength energy can be seen at C reference, since it defines the entire point.

This means that photons, although traveling at C, have aspects not visible at C; wavelength less than infinite. The photon moves at C, but will continue to set a potential with C, until they reach infinite wavelength, due to invisible aspect at C (fractional point).

If you were on a photon, you would see the universe contracted to a point, due to the speed of light. But your own wavelength, could not be seen in this same C reference, since it is less than a point in the C reference. However, this finite wavelength aspect can be seen in inertial reference. The photon has two separate references, one of which allows it to see inertial, and other at C that allows it to be anywhere via the universal point reference. The photon has the capacity to move anywhere. The photon will follow inertial paths that help the universe reach C reference the fastest, while itself also red shifting toward infinite wavelength state, so once again it can see itself as part of the ground state.

The value of using C as the ground state, is all roads lead to Rome.

 

You can repeat it as many times as you like, but it won't become true. And no amount of links to articles that don't discuss your aether will change that.

 

Exactly. That is what happens in "double slit" experiments with C60 molecules. They use grating as the slits. The C60 molecule travels through a single "slit" and the associated wave in the aether passes through all of the "slits".

 

Do you find it curious that your links to this phenomena don't mention the aether you refer to?

 

Label it whatever you want, aether, ether, quintessence, plenum, quantum vaccum, quantum foam, sub-quantum hidden medium; it doesn't matter, it is what waves in a double slit experiment.

 

I dont call "it" anything and neither do your links, because "it" does not exist: The belief that "it is what waves" died in 1887.

 

'New 'Double Slit' Experiment Skirts Uncertainty Principle'
http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-slit-experiment-skirts-uncertainty-principle

"Intriguingly, the trajectories closely match those predicted by an unconventional interpretation of quantum mechanics known as pilot-wave theory, in which each particle has a well-defined trajectory that takes it through one slit while the associated wave passes through both slits."

'Team 'sneaks around' quantum rule'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13626587

"For his part, Professor Steinberg believes that the result reduces a limitation not on quantum physics but on physicists themselves. "I feel like we're starting to pull back a veil on what nature really is," he said. "The trouble with quantum mechanics is that while we've learned to calculate the outcomes of all sorts of experiments, we've lost much of our ability to describe what is really happening in any natural language. I think that this has really hampered our ability to make progress, to come up with new ideas and see intuitively how new systems ought to behave."

'1st place: Shifting the morals of quantum measurement'
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article...rld-reveals-its-top-10-breakthroughs-for-2011

"Steinberg's work stood out because it challenges the widely held notion that quantum mechanics forbids us any knowledge of the paths taken by individual photons as they travel through two closely spaced slits to create an interference pattern."

 

Well, at least you didn't include any of your spurious claims in that post....

 

In a double slit experiment the physical particle always travels through a single slit and it is the physical wave which passes through both.

 

Agreed. But that has nothing more to do with an aether than it did in 1887.

 

It is the stuff which fills empty space which waves.