Homosexuality - Nature or Nurture?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Cellar_Door, Jul 10, 2009.

  1. TBodillia Registered Senior Member

    So how does the bull learn he performs better with another bull? His peers get him drunk and throw him in a closet with another bull? He decides he no longer likes cows? The farmer is somehow enticing the bull to turn gay, like maybe blasting Y M C A non-stop through out the barn?

    Animals act on instinct and learn from their actions. I've never seen another dog perform oral sex on himself and I'm thankful for that. But, how does an animal learn that is pleasurable if it wasn't instinct? Why would a bull mount another bull if it wasn't instinct?

    Cleft pallets vs gay...considering I know more gay people than people with cleft pallets (ZERO) my observations say you are wrong.
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  3. Bishadi Banned Banned


    and you are a fucking troll enmos

    that changing of someones words is a banable offense but punks, trolls and the complacent idiots like you don't have any who put the screws of honesty and integrity to you.
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  5. Bishadi Banned Banned

    sounds like something you are interested in.

    perhaps go to a breader place and you can be a professional winkie holder

    like what time food comes?

    perhaps not many dogs like you

    but canine do that and have for years; perhaps you need to get out more often?

    Pleasure is not a word dogs use, so i haven't heard one say; he was having fun.

    but i do know that many like to be scratched behind their ears by the attention they give when i do.

    can i ask if you wish to be compared to a dog?

    no idea

    perhaps training

    like i said before, you need to get out more.

    News all over the place on helping the few who need assistance with the physical difference of the cleft palate and dog have been licking themselves while man has pondered for thousands of years.

    but like oooooosual anyone can see the selfish bigots by the lack of integrity and comments they make.
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  7. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member


    what is the basic difference (if any) between your beliefs and the beliefs of a suicide bomber ?
  8. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

    More schizophrenia-like word salad. Are you Tnerb by another name?

    If you are deliberately being a moron, please STFU. If not, see a psychiatrist. You're another one who sounds like he's on the schizophrenia spectrum.
  9. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member


    what he is...
    is a loosely constructed false reality as a back stop to his reasoning.
    much the case with most extremely religious brain washing.
    the more the reasoning is tested the more violent they get hence my question.

    this person displays intense brain washing as a child from religious dogma
    where as a schizophrenic spectrum indicator is in fact more like Baron Max.
    my advice to the baron is to never engage in psycho active drugs and start intensive work on resolving emotional issues in his subconscious,
    where as Bishadi needs his base personality re aligned with a new paradigm of reality to avoid critical melt down because it is built on a false base
    = the more extreme the more extreme the more critical simply in theory not relating to physical.
    while both display a similar block in reasoning there is distinct differences in what is defined as critical modality of common daily interaction.
    im sure behavioral habituation therapy would help the Baron no end...
    however bishadi, he needs his taken apart and put back together in the correct way so he can build off it.
  10. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

    Are you genuinely as foolish and uneducated as you come across?
    I am not discussing opinion, I am presenting you with the validated findings of researchers in the field, who used well established scientifc methodology and whose work was subject to appropriate peer review. This is as far removed from opinion as it is is possible to get.
    It appears you also have difficulty in writing English. Your sentence makes no sense. It is not at all clear why a lack of integrity (a moral issue) would be responsible for my inability to articulate (a skill issue). I rather doubt you have the ability to express yourself clearly, but why not give it a go.
    Anecdotal evidence is of very limited value. Personal experience is not the basis of good science. You are free to be influenced and guided by your interpretation of personal experience and your commitment to what you laughingly call common sense, but do not call the resultant dog's breakfast science. Do not pretend it has a superiority over those observations made by scientists, or those theories derived via the scientific method.
    You may be able to fool yourself that way. You won't full anyone with an education.
    What? :shrug:

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    Is this another strawman? I warned you.

    And another.

    Cite a single instance, with justification, wherein I have misrepresented or mislead. I'll make it easier for you. You may make your selection from any of my more than 6,000 posts.

    Fine. Will you please acknowledge that you believe this statement to be true.

    I Bishadi hereby declare that I do not understand the scientific method and that even if I did understand it I would consider my personal experience and application of common sense to be more effective as a means of understanding the world than the scientific method can ever be.

    Dear dickhead, even if what you say were true - which it isn't - then animals would still be instinctively using sex for purposes other than procreation. Are you seriously so deranged that you will deny the tens of thousands of hours, in thousands of studies, by hundreds of researchers? Oh! Silly question. Of course you are that deranged.
    You 'maintain the comprehension'. This isn't your native language, is it? I'll try to go easier on you. Perhaps some of your nonsense is simply poor translation.

    1. The consciousness of several other species of animals is well established.
    2. Specifically the consciousness of the two species I have been discussing. (Well dolphins are more than one species, but you get the drift.)
    3. As noted above, even if instinct were running the show then the show involves, repeatedly and extensively, the use of sex for purposes other than that of reproduction. The literature on this is large. Why don't you do us all a favour and go read some of it.

    Here is a classic: I said "Common sense has no place in any scientific study."

    And you replied:
    I don't use it Bishadi because common sense has no place in any scientific study.

    Semantic content of the above = zero.

    Or in more popular terms: Fail.
  11. Bishadi Banned Banned

    no such thing as a quark or black hole...

    meaning, i am honest

    others like what others tell them is true (like the religious)

    which is just like the peer review crap just released; that same sex needs are not psychological.

    they do not want psychology to represent that same sex desires are something that can be addressed by psychology.

    DO not believe everything you read from so called professionals!

    you warned me?????????..... go jump in a lake idiot!

    i can post reality and if you do not comprehend it; then you share your ignorance; not mine.

    warn yourself for using the word strawman whenever you bump into the tall order of facts. (meaning if you do not believe in evolution, then i can see your religious zeal of defense; but if you claiming foul because i do not follow your beliefs of uncertain ignorance of today's paradigm, then you a punk in punks clothing trying to moderate you own ignorance with 'warnings')

    you are defending your own ignorance like a preacher
    And another.

    trying to warn me about claiming the 2nd is moot..... there is your example; as you cannot abuse evidence just because your knowledge is complacent.

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  12. Bishadi Banned Banned

    see that is the difference

    yu are following the false 'uncertain' reality

    where as i comprehend that the energy of mass is the life of mass

    it is your OLD paradigm that is redundant; kind of like a religion

    that is about to be turned on its butt.

    eg..... when your ignorance understands the entanglement of energy, then your ignorance can comprehend what gravity is

    until then you can put your own head in your own black hole and quark up the dark matter with all your own energy.

    this thread is on homosexuality- Nature or Nurture

    and reality shares that nature don't nurture homosexuality; people do

    which can provide the evidence quite clearly that ignorance of people is what maintains the ignorance of beliefs over reality!

    people just like YOU
  13. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

    your writing is incoherent. Your claims are fatuous. Your arguments are devoid of sense or substance. You have failed to respond in a meanigful way to any point I have raised. Worst of all, since you lack the intellect or the education to objectively judge the work of scientists, you presume that we all suffer the same limitation. That presumption is not only wrong, it is offensive. In short, you are wasting my time. Goodbye.
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  14. Enmos Valued Senior Member

    No, idiot, that law only goes for closed systems.
  15. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

    I put Bishadi on ignore. I recommend doing the same

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  16. Enmos Valued Senior Member

    I have him on ignore as well, but sometimes I can't control myself

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  17. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member

    and now you separate nature from nurture as if the 2 are unrelated
    as if nature is some type of genetic coding put in to force humans to build social networks and construct web sites and message boards


    you are soo vastly deluded by your own desperate flight from yourself that you run right past what you are, where you came from and where you are currently.

    your a conservative right wing zealot who preaches that free will is irrelevant to self awareness.

    are you now going to try and tell us that self awareness is also purely nurture ?
  18. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

    He will likely be compelled by instinct to do so.
  19. Bishadi Banned Banned

    and the ONLY way to CLOSE a system "anywhere in existence" is to ignor properties of the specimen system.

    It is exactly why the 1st LAW, makes the 2nd MOOT; causality.

    Perhaps look it up. BE of science not like some Orphs that will 'walk any planck' and drown with the pack.

    Life itself exist which means 'we the people' can experience it. The issue is not closing your mind but to define the process that each can comprehend.

    life; progresses while the current paradigm is reductionary (and to comprehend how planck's constant is bound to entropy (without the causality to that intent to equlibriate; the whole frame of physics is bound to the 2nd law of thermodynamics)

    in reality, the energy is the boss not the mass and the way to identify the potential shared between mass is to observe the property of energy (light) called entanglement

    every line item i shared above is true (fact)

    and any who say otherwise just don't have a clue; and i don't care if you bring on every professor on earth. Ptolemy had to roll over too!

    sorry, i was unaware of your depth.

    Nuturing in a human stand point can include teaching of words, lessons, comprehension.

    Or as in nature; feeding caring and assisting the new generation in survival. (continuing life)

    People teach kids about right and wrong, life and all the fun stuff like texting messages. (notice the commercial? the kids are at 70 words a minute, while the parents are at 7-8 wpm; giggle giggle (the kids will kick this gen's behind in all areas)

    most all life lives on genes doing the automatics of 'mass and energy' ( the processes are bound to nature)

    people learn how to associate and why words were created

    words are learned where-as genes are bound to instinct (natures rules)

    mankind can break LOTS of rules with words

    heck LOOK above; mankind made a rule about nature (the 2nd) that is completely opposite of how mass and energy associate

    all because they left out the causality and ability to maintain absolute honesty to evidence observed
  20. Enmos Valued Senior Member

  21. Bishadi Banned Banned

    from you, that is normal

    as you don't know the math

    nor the applicability

    don't read anything beyond what you learned in school

    and definitely not honest about what you comprehend.

    Homosexuality- is nurtured by people not nature.

    It's a fact.

    Not to mentioned the whole sexuality issue can be drilled down to instinct and natures way of life.

    So this thread is dead on the vine because of the ignorance of the posters not maintaining focus that 'all the rules of nature' conform to nature

    and mankind just creates the stupidity that people believe!
  22. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member


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  23. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Neither do you.

    No, that's a lie.
    Another lie from you.
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