Homosexuality - Nature or Nurture?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Cellar_Door, Jul 10, 2009.

  1. Bishadi Banned Banned

    Prove it.

    Show us all "homosexual" in biology (genetics) not the choices of people.

    There is no such thing as homosexual in biology! Never has been!

    And if you ask why, then consider the FACT all sex is by choice when concerning human beings.

    deal with it!

    a fraud with a fasod (no matter how you skin it; representing something that is not true)

    kind of like you!
    did you not understand what this means

    (sharing an example of a fraud)

    perhaps someone who is of one sex and likes to fake being the other sex during intercourse?
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  3. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Actually you made the initial claim: you prove it.

    So animals decide as well?

    "Having sex" is is a choice: who you find sexually attractive isn't.

    "Friends Against Sexual Orientation Discrimination"?
    Or is that atrocious command of English showing you up? As usual.

    Like making up your own statistics?
    That sort of thing?

    It doesn't matter how many times you repeat, the sentence still means nothing to me...
    It's not something I've ever come across, or heard of.
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  5. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

    when did you CHOSE to have sex with females? what would make you blow a guy?
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  7. ripleofdeath Registered Senior Member

    "So I suppose you support gay adoption."

    well well well...
    self defined and self labeled like heterosexuals are ?
    you make a choice of your preference to have children yet you seem to throw that all out the window and make out that people MUST have children as if they are incapable of self control and must find a women to rape and kidnap long enough for her to give birth then prevent her from killing the baby.

    people CHOOSE to have a family and CHOOSE to have children.

    it is a PREFERENCE
  8. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

    It seems pretty clear to the ehtologists who study such behaviour that dolphins and bonobos are self aware, are intelligent, and most decidedly are thinking about it. They are having sex not to procreate, but to have fun (the dolphins) and to cement community relations (the bonobos). All your denials will not change that simple fact.

    Bonobos engage in a great variety of sexual behaviour, most of which could not serve the procreative purpose. Your ignorance in this area of research is hardly surprising - there is no particular reason you would have run across it, unless you were interested in primate behaviour. However, you have now been informed. Unfortunately I expect you to continue to indulge your delusion - one rejected by every behavioural biologist I know of - that sex is only for procreation.

    One of the recurrent themes in evolution is the use, reuse and adaptation of features for a new purpose. The emergence of the heart of our hearing system from fish gills is an obvious example. What you seem unaware of is that the same applies to behavioural patterns. Sex is simply to good a system to waste it on only procreation - unless of course you are a stickleback.

    Common sense is not evidence. Even if it were what you are arguing is most certainly not common sense.

    This is a strawman argument of monstrous proportions. do get real. Few animals kill members of their own species. The routine slaughter of prey by predator is generally seen as ample justification for farming domestic animals for meat, or hunting wild animals for food, or sitting on a riverbank pretending to fish.

    What is clear is that you have never looked at the evidence and that your dogmatic stance will likely prevent you ever looking at the evidence.
  9. Bishadi Banned Banned

    so you consider them consciously making decisions?

    perhaps you want them to vote?

    did you ask them?

    can you prove; that if they had a 'choice' they would chose to screw the male over the female?

    and that a female is doing another female by choice? (i want this example (proof)

    orph you are breaking every rule of articulation and basic common sense

    it is just a crack up to read that a person believes that instinctive critters are consciously aware (making choices) and then when a gay person says, they are gay and 'gotta have' the same sex, that it is not a choice.

    how people address these issues just cracks me up

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  10. Bishadi Banned Banned

    people are people (don't care the gender preferences)

    as long as the people are honest, then it don't matter

    the dishonesty; in this issue, is to sell the word 'normal' within the gay 'preference' issue

    no word added saying 'abe' nor any other definition discounting the people

    people are people (i hate the bigots)

    what is self defined? Did you self define you? I didn't define me!

    making babies is how you live longer

    it is how YOU give your energy (light) to combine with another and make a new shade (the next generation of life)

    want to live longer?

    eg.... you would not be here unless your parents gave. And now you are of "preference" not to give them another generation.

    Your whole lineage is thanking you for being a 'self': defined!
  11. Bishadi Banned Banned

    Nope; instinct (they intend to make babies)

    I said this And if you ask why, then consider the FACT all sex is by choice when concerning human beings and you post
    nothing straw about reality.

    and all choice is learned............ that is why teaching someone that same sex is normal is beyond rude (because it is a blatant lie)

    no one is attracked to a winkie in the rear "biologically" (and any who say it are lying out their butts)

    i said a man dressing as a women is a fraud wearing a fasod (another truth, that you don't like)

    look up the words

    stay clear; all life that reproduces by sex (male female) are all ALIVE based on sex of opposite sexes (now since dolly, maybe not every single one but still 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% plus)

    are all alive based on parents who had sex with an opposite sexual partner

    there are no butt babies on this earth (that i know of)

    bigots do not know how to be honest, they are stuck on themselves (see most every religion; they are the same way)
  12. TBodillia Registered Senior Member

    Since no one else seems to be answering that question, I will: Quite often. I can't be the only one that grew up around farms.

    My dog provided me with some very disturbing & very funny images. I once found my dog performing oral sex on himself. I once saw my dog mount and try to face fuck another male dog from the area. That poor dog! He looked like he didn't know what the hell was going on and he couldn't run away fast enough. My dog would mount ANY dog that onto my land, male or female.

    Back while I was a student at Purdue, one of my dorm mates was an Ag major. He was a bit depressed at the upcoming course of study: Artificial insemination. They had to practice the art of the collection of semen via the 3 methods.
    1) Manual...that's right, they had to jerk off a bull.
    2) Electrical. A probe is inserted up the bull's ass, a current is ran through it and stimulates the prostate gland.
    3) A prosthetic. A blow up cow if you will. Except, they said that an experienced bull preferred & performed better if the "fake cow" was a "fake bull".

    I can only say that I have never witnessed female on female sex in nature. I'll take their word on it that other species practice it.
  13. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

    I don't consider them to be doing so, scientists who study them consider them to be doing so. I am ready to accept their conclusions since they appear to have been arrived at through rigorous application of the scientific method.
    If you continue to raise strawman arguments I will start making offensive remarks about your mother. You have been warned.
    Irrelevant. My original post challenged your claim that animals only engaged in sex for reproductive purposes. I was not directly discussing the homosexual aspects of any such non-reproductive behaviour.
    Let me make it simple for you. Your claim that animals only engage in sex for reproductive purposes is shown to be utterly false by the scientifically studied behaviour of dolphins and bonobos.
    Stop wasting my time by denying something so well established. I would prefer you to address my follow up question. If you can be so wrong on something so basic, why do you think you may not be wrong on other of your points?
    Common sense has no place in any scientific study.
    And while we are on the side topic of articulation, do you even know the meaning of the statement you wrote? It would appear not.

    Not a popular thought, but one that is well established. You have two choices: learn to live with it, or continue on your path of self delusion.

    There we can agree. You are definitely cracked.
  14. Bishadi Banned Banned

    i was on a farm; pigs cattle horse sheep dogs cats and everything in nature. I have even witnessed bats stuck in copulation (like dogs do). Witnessed native cuthroat trout in a stream 4 feet wide in 2 inches of water practically glowing (red/oranges/greens) while doing the wild thing. (two males with each female in most cases)

    and if human beings could do that, most men would never leave the house (giggle giggle)

    now that is a dog in serious need.

    do you keep him with you while making whoopie (with your partner(s))?
    i know, that one is a hammer in itself

    cuts the 'nature' argument in half; by default
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  15. Bishadi Banned Banned

    so you busting my chops on someone elses opinion?

    see why you and i are often at each others throat; you have little integrity to articulate what YOU experience and comprehend; screw what others think if it breaks common sense and can be personally experienced as being wrong!

    ie... life abuses the pants off of entropy but goofs maintain the law because 'the professionals must know better'

    is just as ignorant as suggesting your preacher knows god better than you

    by misrepresenting and misleading; you are dishonoring your own mother, daddy and you whole lineage.......

    you can warn me all you like; if you are willing to represent false (straw/third party opinions) as being fact, when they contradict what you personally believe; you are a worthless opinion!


    deal with it!

    they are not thinking about it

    they INTEND to live (the entropy buster of nature)

    i maintain the comprehension that unless a life is conscious; then instinct runs the show. Either you have enough moxy to hold that fact or you are chasing your tail.

    that is what i am trying to POUND into your head!

    think of the KISS
    and why you don't use it ( i wonder how many preachers said that about religion; "God has no place in common sense")?

    i know, we know and any can see it

    truth is considered "nuts" among the faces of selfish beasts; you can chose to deny reality and do it quite well. (this pst shares you argue on a side, that you personally do not believe; now that is a quack if i ever saw one)
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  16. Bishadi Banned Banned

    did you all copy them last few posts?

    i did, i didn't know i had all that pent up and available to enlighten

    thanks for digging it all out


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  17. TBodillia Registered Senior Member

    Nope, he was always an outdoors dog (he died a few years back). Wolf/Shepard hybrids are too big to be indoors, too expensive to maintain, and now, too expensive to purchase.

    Not even close. Just because I have never personally witnessed it doesn't mean it never happens. I have never witnessed a murder, let alone a natural death, and yet I have no doubt that it happens. I trust the experts.

    No comeback on an experienced bull preferring to have sex with a blow up bull vs a blow up cow?
  18. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Except for the gay ones and the ones that are just having sex for fun.

    It is a strawman.
    As I said actually having sex is the choice. Who you find attractive isn't.

    I did try to look up the word "fasod".
    It doesn't exist.


    That's why you lied about your "statistic" and kept lying about it.
  19. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Blatantly, stupidly wrong.

    Then why do you do it?
  20. Bishadi Banned Banned

    but it don't take an expert to know more people are born with a cleft palet than born gay

    that example is perfectly understood when compared to human beings; it's all learned

    such as no matter how, when or with who; sexual intercourse is a learned event based on instinctive impulses

    (same sex intercourse is not an instinctive action)
  21. Bishadi Banned Banned

    i don't, i know life abuses entropy and nothing straw about it.

    i have the yahoos to represent what is true; you wear a mask and lie thoroughly thru (everything that you don't like but cannot prove as it is all just strawman and plagerism of others opinions)

    meaning; if you comprehended and understood evolution, then you would know that all life must have maintained a lineage to the life of the first critter and never equilibriated or that line would be extinct. (abused the shit out of equilibriation by intent; entropy)

    but, yet, and as ooooosual; your depth comprehension and intent (stoned cold bigotry) will not allow you to be honest with anyone except to follow you own needs, desires and ignorance)
  22. Bishadi Banned Banned

    how is rendering truth a strawman claim?

    when you can prove that item is untrue then you have rights; otherwise you a troll as usual.

    now that is strawman; as ALL Sex is a choice, and anyone can 'like' anyone but since SEX is a choice of action, then any intent with any partner can be comprehended and understood before the action is imposed to exist.

    Meaning; just because i have the hots for another does not mean i will jump their bones with no accountability to my own intent.
    not enough ssss's for your shit to comprehend (fake front)

    that kind of lying cheating trolling and punking of not being able to represent the fact that life (that uses separate sexes in procreation) comes from male and female copulation (almost 100%) is why ...

    i will always consider your intent bad

    (you a nasty person and a perfect example of a bigot (practically nazi))
  23. Enmos Valued Senior Member

    You're an idiot, Bishady.

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